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마지막の글 - 페이지 #716

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Stanston
Joined in Aug 2018
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iStripper에 관한 모든 것
August 24, 2020, 135 답변
@arise77
I would like to Answer/Quote to you, because you made some interesting Points
something you might have noticed, a lot of people who express their dislike of the gambling games are long time members. You opened an account in 2018, when SECs were already around, so that was already the norm at the time.
That is true, in compare to yourself and many other Users, i'm not that long on iStripper.
But you are talking from Long time members, and we all know, when you are doing a specific thing too long,
like using iStripper, it will get in most cases Boring over Time. Even if you still like/love the Product.
Maybe it is not the case on yourself, but i lost in my past track on many things which i was doing way too long.
And i was trying to find something new and satisfying on that specific thing, but i was not be able to do that.
And who knows wher i'm standing lets say in 3 or 5 Years for myself and on iStripper.
I can't really tell you today. But i know one for Sure, I Love Girls, and iStripper is giving me an easy and
very convenient way to Access different Type of Girls. Even if i can see them only on my Screen.
When you've been collecting cards for 5/10 years, therefore supporting the company over time in some way,
and suddenly you're told there are cards you can't get even if you pour in hundreds of credits, it doesn't really feel like "your loyalty is valued".
That is indeed a good/important Point, but we (including myself) didn't talk to anyone from the Team in personal
about those internal things, because we are not be able to get involved in to internal Discussions.
And further about Loyalty.
I'm not naive, I know a business doesn't care much about my "loyalty", and is just looking for a way to keep the big wallets coming and attract new customers, and try to make everyone spend as much as possible. Business is business.
That is not a 100% true. As i told earlier in this Topic from that Company which i was working for almost 7 Years.
Of course i will not telling any Names or Persons, but my Boss would liked to give his Customers something back.
And not only as a short period Solution, No as an Long Term Solution for all New and Long Term Customers.
At the end, he had to pay more as he could imagine to have Money for that.
It was ruining almost his Company and many many Customers were pissed off, understandable of course.
And it ended with the Situation where many Customers came in the Store and smashing their
***** and disappointment on me.
Only on myself, i was their match ball for their ***** and offending speaking.
They were Insulting against me on and on, but my Boss was sitting in his Office as like happened nothing.
Until to an specific Point, where he had to call the Police, because of an very mad and nasty Ranting Customer.
Gladly there were no Weapons in play, but he threatened me physically.

And until today i ***** my Boss for that, what he was offering his Customers,
and not thinking about the consequences. Even there was a good Intention in the Background.
Until today i can't get this Situation out of my Head any more.
And i'm thankful to that Customer that he had no Knife or Gun in this Situation with it.
Otherwise he shall ***** in Hell forever.
And this is one of the Reasons why i'm sitting at a Psychologist, because of that ***** in my past.

When one is getting Nasty against someone else, who is not fault for his Situation then you can still handle that.
But not 10 or 15 Customers per Day, against one Employee, and yes it is a true Story.
And we are talking from an Timeline of almost 3 Months.
And at the End, you can't satisfy everyone like i was saying before. It is not possible, because we are all different.
You know > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHbzSif78qQ

So with that saying, we don't know who the Teammembers are, or what they are planning,
but i had this Year PM Contact to one specific Teammember.
I will not give any further Details to this Contact/Conversation of course.
But from my Perception with this Conversation i will not believe that Totem isn't aware about our Loyalty.
No way, because this Conversation was just too good, even it was short.

Thanks again to my Conversation Partner at this Point 😊 just in case you are reading here in this Topic.
I agree we should relax about this, be patient & enjoy the girls.
That's right, i'm here for the Girls on iStripper, i will further put my Money in it,
and hoping further for an native Linux Client.

But i really really don't care about the SEC Cards, because i have 1918 other Shows to
enjoy over and over every Day. So please to all have a great Time on iStripper 💚 👍
RAGORN
Joined in Dec 2007
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iStripper에 관한 모든 것
August 24, 2020, 135 답변
@TheEmu & Voyeurpervers

My prediction is that if the SECs were simply sold at a price that was even slightly above the cost of a normal card, let alone the much higher price that we think may be necessary to make up for the reduced participation in the gambling games, then there would be as many, or perhaps even more, complaints than there are currently.

It would, of course, be a different matter if the cards themselves were special, but they are not.

Ce a quoi Totem devrait penser est que acheter des cartes spéciales 100 ou 200 crédits pourrait être envisager par beaucoup d'entre nous. Ce qui gêne est que même dépenser plus aux jeux de hasard ne garanti pas l'obtention des dites cartes. 100 ou 200 crédits devrait permettre a Totem de rentrer largement dans ses frais.

Comme @TheEmu, je suis convaincu que le fait de vendre certaines cartes bien au-dessus de la valeur normale engendrerait encore plus d'insatisfaction. Ce qui est certain, c'est que je ne paierais pas 10 ou 20 fois la valeur d'une carte pour le simple plaisir de financer Totem. J'apprécie énormément le logiciel et les efforts de l'équipe afin d'offrir un produit de qualité, mais je ne jette pas mon argent par les fenêtres.

Il y a certainement d'autres moyens d'accroître les revenus d'une entreprise que de "contraindre" ses clients à gambler.

As @TheEmu, I am convinced that selling certain cards well above their normal value would lead to even more dissatisfaction. What is certain is that I would not pay 10 or 20 times the value of a card just for the sake of financing Totem. I really appreciate the software and the team's effort to deliver a quality product, but I'm not throwing my money away.

There are certainly other ways to increase the income of a company that "to constrain" customers to gamble.
ComteDracula
Joined in Aug 2017
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iStripper에 관한 모든 것
August 24, 2020, 135 답변
I did not claim that it was,

Totem introduced SECs

Some people ***** about the rules for obtaining them.

Totem changed the rules to go some way to meeting the original objections.

Some people ***** about the new rules for obtaining them.

They could have simply stuck with the original rules.

Totem may very well find a way to keep customers happy by allowing those who want to gamble to take the chance to get those cards faster, and allow others who are willing to wait until later (say 1 year) to get these cards at a higher cost.

The solution is so simple. What is so hard to understand or accept about this?

In any case, by selling these more expensive SEC cards, they will be profitable and this will allow Totem to recover these costs.

I have already said it.

It's not the cost that bothers me. On the contrary, if it can help Totem pay girls better, for example, so much the better.

Rather, it is the fact of not being sure to acquire these cards.

I want to know in advance what will cost me what I buy.

And in my case, having all the cards, I have nothing to gain from participating in these games.

I am a collector, not a gambler.



Totem peut très bien trouver une façon de satisfaire les clients en permettant à ceux qui veulent jouer aux jeux de hasard de prendre la chance d'obtenir ces cartes plus rapidement, et permettre aux autres qui sont prêts à attendre plus tard (disons 1 an) d'obtenir ces cartes à un coût supérieur.

La solution est si simple. Qu'est-ce qui est si difficile à comprendre ou a accepter dans cela ?

De toutes façon, en vendant ces cartes SEC plus chères, elles vont se rentabilser et cela va permettre à Totem de rentrer dans ses frais.

Je l'ai déjà dit.

Ce n'est pas le coût qui me dérange. Au contraire, si cela peut aider Totem à payer mieux les filles par exemple, c'est tant mieux.

C'est plutôt le fait de ne pas être certain d'acquérir ces cartes.

Je veux savoir à l'avance ce que va me coûter ce que j'achète.

Et dans mon cas, ayant toutes les cartes, je n'ai rien à gagner à participer à ces jeux.

Je suis un collectionneur, pas un gambler.
RAGORN
Joined in Dec 2007
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iStripper에 관한 모든 것
August 24, 2020, 135 답변
@ComteDracula
Pour ma part @RAGORN, si vous lisez le début de ce fil de discussion, vous allez comprendre qu'il y a longtemps que j'ai personnellement renoncé aux SEC que je n'ai plus aucun espoir, ni ne fait confiance à Totem pour changer des choses, même si j'aimerais fortement avoir des réponses claires. Car comme je le disais, ce silence de Totem, et de voir que celui-ci ne fait rien pour calmer la grogne de plusieurs clients, m'exaspère. Il n'y a qu'à voir le nombre de fils de discussion sur ce sujet pour s'en convaincre. [...]Au contraire. J'encourage encore plus les gens qui veulent ces cartes, à ne plus participer aux jeux de hasard, comme je l'ai fait avec @Voyeurpervers.

Dans ce cas, je suis heureux de vous compter au nombre des membres de la Résistance. En espérant que les membres seront nombreux à se joindre à nous.

Et vous avez raison quant au nombre de fils de discussion exprimant la grogne des membres contre les cartes "spéciales". Il est difficile de juger du nombre, mais il est clair que Totem est parvenue à exaspérer plusieurs de leurs clients avec cette façon de faire, incluant de nombreux clients de longue date, comme @arise77 le fait si justement remarquer.

@arise77
@Stanton something you might have noticed, a lot of people who express their dislike of the gambling games are long time members. You opened an account in 2018, when SECs were already around, so that was already the norm at the time.
When you've been collecting cards for 5/10 years, therefore supporting the company over time in some way, and suddenly you're told there are cards you can't get even if you pour in hundreds of credits, it doesn't really feel like "your loyalty is valued".

I'm not naive, I know a business doesn't care much about my "loyalty", and is just looking for a way to keep the big wallets coming and attract new customers, and try to make everyone spend as much as possible. Business is business.

As a whole I understand your point & agree with you, after all this is just an entertaining app and SECs represent less than 0.5% of all available cards, so it's not a big deal.
I am just making a few suggestions here and telling people from experience that gambling is not worth it if you're chasing SECs. As many others said before me, if we don't like something, best way is to stop taking part in it.

I agree we should relax about this, be patient & enjoy the girls.

Great post 👍
ComteDracula
Joined in Aug 2017
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iStripper에 관한 모든 것
August 24, 2020, 135 답변
That I can understand, but the original rules for acquiring SECs meant that if you missed the initial event for such a card (e.g. because you were on holiday or joined iStripper after they were introduced) then you could never obtain that SEC. As it happens I did miss out on an early SEC, but I just accepted it rather than get annoyed at Totem. The later change in rules allowed me to obtain it anyway.

I am very happy for you, if this way of doing it suits you @TheEmu

But honestly, this is not what justified Totem's policy change.

They could very well have found an accommodation to help people on vacation, to obtain these cards, after they had notified them of this difficulty.

This is real customer service.

Totem's goal is to make the most money from gambling, regardless of the positive or negative consequences it may have on some people.

I want to remind you that even in the casinos here in Quebec, there are people who watch to help people who could develop gambling problems.

Does Totem take this possibility into account?


J'en suis bien heureux pour vous, si cette facon de faire vous conviens @TheEmu

Mais sincèrement ce n'est pas ce qui a justifié le changement de politique de Totem.

Ils auraient très bien pu trouver un accomodement pour aider des gens en vacances, d'obtenir ces cartes, après que ceux-ci leur aient signifié cette difficulté.

C'est ça un vrai service aux clients.

Le but de Totem est de faire le plus d'argent avec les jeux de hasard, peut importe les conséquences positives ou négatives que cela peut avoir sur certaines personnes.

Je veux vous rappeller que même dans les casinos ici au Québec, il y a des gens qui surveillent pour aider des personnes qui pourraient développer des problèmes de Jeux.

Est-ce que Totem tient compte de cette possibiltité ?
ComteDracula
Joined in Aug 2017
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iStripper에 관한 모든 것
August 24, 2020, 135 답변
I'm sorry @Stanston, but I find you really "moralistic".

Who are you to judge people, tell them that they need therapy and that they are "big, crying babies"?

I am only reflecting what this Totem policy is causing frustration for several people here.

For my part @RAGORN, if you read the beginning of this discussion thread, you will understand that it has been a long time since I personally gave up on SEC, that I no longer have any hope, nor do I trust Totem to change things, although I would love to have clear answers. Because as I said, this silence of Totem, and to see that this one does nothing to calm the grumbling of several customers, exasperates me. You only have to see the number of threads of discussion on this subject to be convinced.

https://www.istripper.com/fr/forum/thread/45507/1?post=676708

On the contrary. I encourage even more people who want these cards, not to participate in games of chance, as I did with @Voyeurpervers.

Because they are being drained of their money NEEDEDLY.

For those who still have it, it's up to them to use their money as they see fit.

On the other hand, I don't judge the people who do so, so I expect them not to judge the people who are willing to pay these more expensive cards, outside of gambling.


Je m'excuse @Stanston, mais je vous trouve vraiment "moralisateur".

Qui êtes-vous pour juger les gens, leur dire qu'ils ont besoin d'une thérapie et qu'ils sont de "gros bébés, qui pleurent" ?

Je ne fait que reflété ce que cette politique de Totem cause comme frustration chez plusieurs personnes ici.

Pour ma part @RAGORN, si vous lisez le début de ce fil de discussion, vous allez comprendre qu'il y a longtemps que j'ai personnellement renoncé aux SEC, que je n'ai plus aucun espoir, ni ne fait confiance à Totem pour changer des choses, même si j'aimerais fortement avoir des réponses claires. Car comme je le disais, ce silence de Totem, et de voir que celui-ci ne fait rien pour calmer la grogne de plusieurs clients, m'exaspère. Il n'y a qu'à voir le nombre de fils de discussion sur ce sujet pour s'en convaincre.

https://www.istripper.com/fr/forum/thread/45507/1?post=676708

Au contraire. J'encourage encore plus les gens qui veulent ces cartes, à ne plus participer aux jeux de hasard, comme je l'ai fait avec @Voyeurpervers.

Car ils se font vider de leur argent INUTILEMENT.

Pour ceux qui le fond tout de même, c'est libre à eux de disposer de leur argent comme ils l'entendent.

Par contre je ne juge pas les gens qui le font, alors je m'attend à ce qu'ils ne jugent pas les gens qui sont prêt à payer ces cartes plus chères, en dehors des jeux de hasard.
Stanston
Joined in Aug 2018
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iStripper에 관한 모든 것
August 24, 2020, 135 답변
@ComteDracula
I would like to answer you.
You are welcome :)
Firstly, personally I am very satisfied with Totem's product, since I would no longer buy their product.
That's right we don't need to Discuss about that, otherwise your Collection would be way smaller.
But even Users with smaller Collections are satisfied.
And yes i'm in Contact with those kind of Users via PM, and of course i'm one of them.
It is not a recognition problem that we are dealing with here.
Honestly, i'm not 100% sure to have trust in to this Statement,
because (but maybe i'm wrong) you are driven by your Emotions, just like myself in specific Situations.
Another problem is, we are talking via Text Conversation and this is the worst case Scenario.
Trust me i don't like that at all, but we have deal with it, otherwise i'm jumping in an ICE
and make a Trip to France to you.
The problem here is called "Customer Frustration". "Unnecessary provocation by putting certain tempting cards on display,
with the aim of getting people to participate in games of chance to obtain them, without certain certainty of obtaining them,
and this, at the risk of having to spend big and to end up with products they did not want ".
The problem is that Frustration is developed each in us own for ourself.
Because we are fixated on unimportant things too much.
And yes it is a Gambling Game you can Win, you can Loose. But at the End you decide to play these Games or not.
Just like the Statement yesterday from @Lemac7625
https://www.istripper.com/forum/thread/45511/1#post677039
All the better if you are satisfied.
So you see you can be Happy about each others, because many many other people in our World
are not be able to do that. Please read both Articles 😉

https://thoughtcatalog.com/nikki-zarrella/2019/07/why-some-people-can-never-be-happy-for-anyone-and-why-you-shouldnt-take-it-personally/

https://exploringyourmind.com/why-cant-i-be-happy-for-others/
So much the better if you want to play games of chance. If that is your desire, I have nothing against it.
Here is the Difference, i don't want to play these Games maybe ... a big maybe in the Future, i don't know.
My Decision is to Buy further Credit Packs, and Buying the Shows i want.
And i think that is Ok for Totem, each to their own. And i'm not the only one which made that Decision.
But someone at Totem is going to have to realize, that there are people who refuse to participate in these games of chance
Nevermind, you were already the one, which was realizing to not to participate in these Games,
at least in this Moment.
for various reasons
Absolutely, and you have your own Reason for not participating in these Gambling Games.
and that these people are ready to pay more if it is. necessary to obtain them.
Unfortunately, everything in this World has it's Price it is what it is. And when you don't want to pay
the Price then you should leave it. I know it is easier said than done, but there is a simple and effective
method, which is helping me a lot in my past ...
Accept the Situation, otherwise you will loose your Focus on the really important things.
YES, it helped me a lot.
Just a possibility to have them and have the full collection of the girls we love and appreciate
Totem is giving you these possibilities, obtaining them through Gambling, and other methods
which i mentioned yesterday already. But unfortunately people are forgetting about that.
https://www.istripper.com/forum/thread/45511/1#post677038
Sure you are not getting that specific SEC which you wanted, maybe. But i'm 100% Sure, and Yes
i think Totem will not Milk us and they will provide similar Offers/possibilities in the Future.
Just as they did it in the past.

Keep the Patience, this is your Reward > https://youtu.be/ydvfkxenDSQ?t=93
without continually getting them in the face to stoke our frustration.
Like i was saying on the beginning, either Totem or the SEC in front to your Face,
are not the Situations in any way, which are Frustrating you.
ComteDracula
Joined in Aug 2017
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iStripper에 관한 모든 것
August 24, 2020, 135 답변
I am sorry, but the number is very important. No company can afford to annoy a large proportion of its customers nor can it usually accomodate all of the wishes of all of its customers.

It is curious what you say.

Because at home, there are telecommunication companies (cable, telephone, internet), which compete with each other.

When the time comes to renew my annual subscription, I check the prices with different companies.

I tell them that such company is ready to provide the service to me at such cost.

Some are ready to provide the service to me at a lower price than their competitor.

If it doesn't do the trick, I'll switch to another.

This is also done with insurance and other companies.

The Customer is always right.

Maybe the problem is that Totem doesn't have a competitor?


C'est curieux ce que vous dites.

Car chez moi, il y a des compagnies de télécommunication (câble, téléphonie, internet), qui se font compétition.

Lorsque vient le temps de renouveler mon abonnement annuel, je vérifie les prix auprès de différentes compagnies.

Je leur dit que telle compagnie est prête à me fournir le srvice à tel coût.

Certaines sont prête à me fournir le service à un prix moindre, que leur compétiteur.

Si elle ne font pas l'affaire, je vais changer pour un autre.

Cela se fait aussi avec les assurances et autre compagnies.

Le Client a toujours raison.

Peut-être que le problème vient du fait que Totem n'a pas de compétiteur ?
ComteDracula
Joined in Aug 2017
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iStripper에 관한 모든 것
August 24, 2020, 135 답변
@Stanston,

I would like to answer you.

Firstly, personally I am very satisfied with Totem's product, since I would no longer buy their product.

It is not a recognition issue that we are dealing with here.

The problem here is called "Customer Frustration". "Unnecessary provocation by putting certain tempting cards on display, with the aim of getting people to participate in games of chance to obtain them, without certainty of obtaining them, and this, at the risk of having to spend big and end up with products they did not want ".

All the better if you are satisfied.

So much the better if you want to play games of chance. If this is your desire, I have nothing against it.

But someone at Totem is going to have to realize, that there are people who refuse to participate in these games of chance, for various reasons, and that these people are ready to pay more if it is. necessary to obtain these cards.

We are not asking for handouts. Just a possibility to have them and have the full collection of the girls we love and appreciate, without continually getting them in the face to stoke our frustration.

We don't need morals. We are adults and very capable of understanding that Totem is in business and needs to make money to survive and keep paying its costs.



@Stanston,

J'aimerais vous répondre.

Premièrement personnellement je suis très satisfait du produit de Totem, puisque je n'achèterais déjà plus leur produit.

Ce n'est pas un problème de reconnaissance auquel nous avons affaire ici.

Le problème s'appelle ici "Frustration des clients". "Provocation inutile en mettant en vitrine certaines cartes alléchantes, dans le but d'ammener des gens à participer à des jeux de hasard pour les obtenir, sans certitude de les obtenir, et ce, au risque qu'il ait à dépenser gros et à se retrouver avec des produits qu'ils ne désiraient pas".

Tant mieux si vous êtes satisfait.

Tant mieux si vous voulez jouer à des jeux de hasard. Si c'est votre désir, je n'ai rien contre.

Mais il va bien falloir que quelqu'un chez Totem se rende compte, qu'il y a des gens qui refusent de participer à ces jeux de hasard, pour diverses raisons, et que ces gens sont prêt à payer plus cher si c'est nécessaire pour obtenir ces cartes.

Nous ne demandons pas la charité. Juste une possibilité de les avoir et avoir la collection complète des filles que nous aimons et apprécions, sans continuellement se les faire mettre dans le visage pour attiser notre frustration.

Nous n'avons pas besoin de morale. Nous sommes des adultes et très capable de comprendre que Totem est en affaires et a besoin de faire de l'argent pour survivre et continuer à payer ses frais.
TheEmu
Joined in Jul 2012
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iStripper에 관한 모든 것
August 24, 2020, 21 답변
@nm76

As someone with a complete collection who only plays the scratch games to try to get the SEC cards, I've found that in the past, I would generally break even with credits, thanks to the way they handled the wins for people that had no normal cards to get.

That has been my experience in the past. A few times I was up a few credits, a few times down a few. Once I was up by a lot of credits and once I was down by something approaching 200 credits. Overall I think, but am not sure, that I may be slightly up but in any case not far from breaking even - this over and above having won the SECs.

After purchasing and tracking the results of over 100 cards in this current event (something I've done for the last several scratch-off game events), I can say that the odds for credit wins are significantly lower this time. I'm consistently losing over half of the credits that I spend.

I did not come to this conclusion. In the end I got this SEC after buying 120 scratch cards, and had 10 credits more than I started with. For me there does not seem to have been much of a change. I know others have lost out significantly, but you would expect that even if the odds were perfectly balanced. I was buying in batches of 10 and though on a little more than half the time I won nothing on 5 or more cards out of each batch the occasional win of 50 or 100 credits pretty well balanced that out in the longer term.

Because of the relatively large prizes of 50 and 100 credits compared to the 1 credit cost of a scratch card, with corresponding low odds of winning them, you need to try far more than 100 cards before you can make a reasonable estimate of the long term odds for these games.
Stanston
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iStripper에 관한 모든 것
August 24, 2020, 135 답변
Hi @Voyeurpervers
What do you think of these different Totem proposals ???
Proposals and in specific Promises are nothing which can be deal with in an easy way.

In my personal Opinion you never should make any Proposals or Promises,
except to your self. So in that case you can't disappoint any one else/the others.

But, Totem is a Company which has to earn Money to provide us with the Girls on iStripper.
This is what we are here for, to enjoy these Proposals and Promises from Totem.
And believe it or not (i got Yesterday my 2nd Year Achievement by the way)
i'm not disappointed in any kind of way, with iStripper.
And Yes to provide us with very nice Shows, that is for sure a Proposal and Promise,
which Totem made to us since Years.

And more important, we as a User/Customer of iStripper are not be able to Look behind the Curtain in any Way.
So we can't see which decisions are made yesterday, and which decisions are made today or tomorrow.

Because behind that Curtain you will meet Humans just like you and me.
No Robots, No AI, just friendly and smart Humans :)
And Humans can make mistakes, but as a Company it is not Totems obligation,
to keep us informed about every smaller or bigger Situation, behind that Curtain.
There is no Point, except they decide to do that, because it is not our Company/Business.

And from my own experience, in a specific Company as an employee for almost 7 Years.
My boss was making always and anytime different Proposals and Promises,
but he was never be able to solve these things, for different Reasons.
Market changes, Customer changes, or simply not enough Time and Manpower
to deal with every single Situation.
Or just simply he has overestimated himself, which can happen to everyone of us,
please think about that 😉

Let us stay short on the Topic Manpower, Employees are costing Money, but it is impossible to pay those Employees when Customers asking continuously for more Discounts or better/cheaper Deals.

And just to Remember, we didn't pay any Cent/Penny for the iStripper Client Software.
Some Members from this Community are providing us with different Skins and Fullscreenscenes.
That is not a matter, of course.

So Totem, the Creators from the Community, and the Participants of the Forum
are in my Opinion the best Proposal and Promise, which can be made to every Single User/Customer.

The Problem is when things becoming redundant, people forget about that.

Be Grateful and Appreciative for what you have now and not for, what you could get eventually.
And Live every Moment, as if it were your Last.
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