I'll Pass! Not Into Her! \m/

I believe that's Leona Mia...

Best I could do with the image 😕

On a lighter note......

Jose

Si tu puedes, hay que cambiar a 'Epoch' , seleccionar tarjeta de credito y cuando la pagina web se abre, para mi, yo veo 'Safety Pay' como un opcion.

Suerte!

How to delete the No nudity and Topless clips in Mac. I am unable to do so.

It cannot be considered content by the original poster since prior to and during the transmission of the poster's opinion, it wasn't stored digitally anywhere

Wrong. From the first keystroke it is being stored somewhere.

I live in the states. 20 years ago I was a sysop on Compuserve. We had exactly the same problems and the same solution. This really has nothing to do with different attitudes in different places. It has to do with maintaining an environment that encourages civil discourse. I've said nothing about the message that triggered this verbal food fight. All I've tried to say is move on. If a serious problem develops which doesn't seem too likely I'm happy to let the moderators handle it.

Nifty!!👍

Por fabor habiliten a "SAFETY PAY" como forma de pago ya que no cuento con tarjeta de credito tengo 4154 tarjetas y todas las page con "SAFETY PAY"

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***** hell @Chicky

I'm away from my PC for a few hours and you've managed kick up a shitstorm.

Kudos.

This post started out a lot longer but I have deleted most of it.

Suffice it to say I don't agree with what you said but I don't know the circumstances behind it, Nor do, I suspect, many other members.

I do defend you right to say it.

If the reason you posted the comment is private them I will take that at face value. There is no reason why you need to justify yourself to me or any other member.

Keep on Truckin'

If it was a post to garner attention, it certainly got the limelight here. But why break out the ban hammer? You're using a tactical scope to fix a hangnail!

A wise mod once said "if it's an offensive personal opinion, it's probably best left unsaid."... or something like that... we could all learn from a little self censorship.
A PM to a mod expressing concern over a post would have been more tactful then the storm that has erupted here on the forums. Case closed. :)

You see the problem right, Dorsai6? It cannot be considered content by the original poster since prior to and during the transmission of the poster's opinion, it wasn't stored digitally anywhere, and therefore not 'content' by either of those definitions.

Nitpicky, I know, but still... just saying.

The code of conduct could use some touching up since we here in the States do not share the views of our European friends on the subject of what is permissable speech.

nope sorry, personal opinion does not qualify as content.

I once worked on a content management system for a very large organization in the Washington area. Personal opinions as soon as they were stored either in digital form or as hard copies were definitely considered content.

While Wikipedia not an official source of definitions, it's usually pretty good: In publishing, art, and communication, content is the information and experiences that are directed towards an end-user or audience.[1] Content is "something that is to be expressed through some medium, as speech, writing or any of various arts".[2] Content can be delivered via many different media including the Internet, cinema, television, smartphones, audio CDs, books, e-books, magazines, and live events, such as speeches, conferences, and stage performances.

Postings here sound like content to me and I would certainly read Totem's Code of Conduct to include them.

I just read a PM from Chicky.
No way in hell am I going to repeat here what she told me.

All I will say is just, BACK OFF, guys. I get where she's coming from. Leave her alone, please?

Just drop this nonsense and move on. Thank you.

I still say that the code of conduct needs to be updated, LOL.

Lets be clear: a member made a post that one or more found an issue withThe post in question was not Directed towards anyone, it was not meant as a ***** post.Stop with the Attacks of that member.

Thank you, WA, this is the whole reason I have been making a stink. I appreciate your level headed and articulate response,

@Didge, as has been pointed out, this is a private forum so the freedoms observed in the public square do not necessarily apply here. In light of that, I will agree that such opinions should not be expressed on these boards (especially in view of the fact that racially offensive "content" has already been expresly forbidden here, as WA pointed out). Common sense should inform anybody that this ban applies to personal speech as well, but that needs to be explicitly stated in the rules if punitive action is going to be taken against offenders.

And the lunacy you decried exists because we've become a society incapable of having adult conversations about offensive topics. This needs to change or it is just going to keep getting crazier... and scarier when we start seeing the boots come down on the necks of the offenders who say things the powers that be define as "***** speech".

@Wyldanimal, nope sorry, personal opinion does not qualify as content. Content is digital material in the form of images or video, or possibly opinion pieces quoted from other sources. The racially offensive bit needs to also be commuted to the third bulletpoint. Since it was addressing content, I only skimmed it. Like Didgerum said, it might be common sense, but if the ban on racially offensive material is going to apply to peronal comments, it needs to be explicitly stated in the section dealing with personal speech in the forum, and not only in the bullet point dealing with 'content'. I'll admit I only skimmed that bullet point when I saw it was dealing with content since it doesn't apply to peronal opinions expressed by members. I am glad that racially offensive content is explicitly forbidden, but that should alo be stated clearly in regards to personal speech as well.

This is a MODERATOR Intervention.

To ALL MEMBERS
be careful of how you are treating your Fellow Members here.
I see much that I consider to be personal Attacks.
and it MUST STOP Immediately.

Lets be clear:

• a member made a post that one or more found an issue with
• The post in question was not Directed towards anyone, it was not meant as a ***** post.
• Stop with the Attacks of that member.

Common sense is applied, knowing which comments are not very PC, or otherwise...
KKK is a direct reference to Ku Klux Klan and their idiotic insanity......nothing to do with being PC...
Reference to KKK is not merely an accidental typo.....it is a conscious racist slur......a racist slur is an outdated, misguided, ignorant attitude of mind, best kept, as a personal, twisted mindset and not used in a public, descriptive way, such as in a Forum...
In the lunacy currently prevalent throughout the world, such a lack of comprehension as these threads exhibit, worries me just as much as the ***** that frequent the planet.

Let's not ***** categories, iPseudo. I am not saying that we should not try to be considerate of others, I am simply acknowledging that what might be offensive to one person is not offensive to another, as well as the the possibility that the one offending may be unaware that others will be offended by said comment. If the comment was made knowing that it would offend, but intentionally posted anyway, then yes, that would be a clear ***** of forum rules since the poster knew that her post would "cause discomfort".

The freedom to speak one's mind is a basic human right. If people cannot be mature enough to overlook offensive remarks, or to reply in a respectable manner expressing their disagreement, we're in serious trouble as a society. I still contend that she did not attack any members on these boards, but only expressed a personal preference. If this is too scary for people, wow, we may as well just throw awy all of our guns, sign away all personal freedoms, and tell Big Brother the world is too scary and that we need him to tak the helm and control every aspect of our miserable existences.

Meanwhile, Totem is probably busy trying to figure out which side has more disposable income.

ROFLMAO! Good one!

It's a difficult slope...
But this being the Private Forums of iStripper based in Paris.
I believe the guidelines will fall within the bounds of the EU beliefs

I being from the US, was brought up with a different set of beliefs.
One belief is that all speech is protected, even speech that might be uncomfortable to others.
So as a MOD, I tend to take a non Censorship approach.

If a post, causes other members to react, or I am sent PM's to that affect.
I may send the OP a PM, asking them to choose words more carefully.
But I wouldn't censor the post.

We do have a few words we are tasked with watching for.
But mostly just the code of Conduct.

VII. CODE OF CONDUCT
While using the Software and using the Product, you agree to comply with all applicable laws, rules and regulations. You also agree to comply with certain additional rules that govern your use of the Product (the "Code of Conduct"). The Code of Conduct is not meant to be exhaustive, and Totem Entertainment reserves the right to modify this Code of Conduct at any time, as well as take any appropriate disciplinary measures including Account termination and deletion to protect the integrity and spirit of the Product, regardless of whether a specific behaviour is listed here as prohibited. The following are examples of behaviour that warrant disciplinary measures:

• Impersonating any person, business, or entity, including an employee of Totem Entertainment, or communicating in any way that makes it appear that the communication originates from Totem Entertainment;
• Posting identifying information about yourself, or any other user, in the Product;
• Harassing, stalking, or threatening any other users in the Product;
• Removing, altering or concealing any copyright, trademark, patent or other proprietary rights notices of Totem Entertainment contained in the Product and/or the Software. You also may not transmit content that violates or infringes the rights of others, including without limitation, patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright, publicity, personal rights or other proprietary or non-proprietary rights;
• Transmitting or communicating any content which, in the sole and exclusive discretion of Totem Entertainment, is deemed offensive, including, but not limited to, language that is unlawful, *****, threatening, *****, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, sexually explicit, or racially, ethnically, or otherwise objectionable;
• Spamming the forum or private messages, whether for personal or commercial purposes, by disrupting the flow of conversation with repeated postings of a similar nature;
• Participating in any action which, in the sole and exclusive judgment of Totem Entertainment, "exploits" an undocumented aspect of the Product in order to secure an any benefit;

It is this one...

• Transmitting or communicating any content which, in the sole and exclusive discretion of Totem Entertainment, is deemed offensive, including, but not limited to, language that is unlawful, *****, threatening, *****, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, sexually explicit, or racially, ethnically, or otherwise objectionable;

That is sometimes difficult Because in the EU, their are different rules regarding what Speech is protected and what Speech isn't.

But one thing we have to be careful of...
The MOB does not make the rules.
Totem makes the rules.

It's mildly amusing when people who ***** about delicate snowflakes practically beg for a safe space where they can be free from any consideration of others' feelings.

Meanwhile, Totem is probably busy trying to figure out which side has more disposable income.

I've been a consumer of Totem's product much longer than 10 years, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand, Didgedrum. If comments are going to censored on these boards, more concrete guidelines need to be set than the vague "causes discomfort" which appears now. All she did was express a personal prejudice. When did this become *****? Censorship is far more offensive to me than opinions I disagree with.

Her comment was deleted, but all of the "***** speech" directed at her in a personal way still sits in the forum. This is hypocrisy. She didn't attack anybody on these boards, but other members criticize and attack her for her preferences. This is hypocrisy of the worst sort. Personally. I am fed up with all of this PC nonsense and its accompanying virtue signalling. We're stumbling toward totalitarianism in the West and the idiots are patting themselves on the back for their retractions and apologies, coughing up their freedoms in the process. We're a pubic hair's breadth away from Orwell's nightmare and people are oblivious. It's disgusting.

If a comment does not CLEARLY ***** forum rules, it should not be censored. The rules on what kind of speech is acceptable might be common sense, but they're very poorly defined, not to mention quite open to subjective interpretation.

Who gets to decide what qualifies as ***** speech?

Each of us when speaking for ourselves. "I find this offensive." is a fair statement. Beyond a simple personal statement there is a mass of uncertainty and potential trouble. The more people who chime in with their own opinions and judgements, the worse things get. There is a point where action by the moderators should be requested, but that's a much much bigger step. In most cases, the best approach after voicing a complaint is to let the subject drop.

What is ***** Speech?
It is MOB rule based on Feelings.

@boan000 in answer to your question: Merriam Webster defines ***** speech as " expressing ***** of a particular group of people ". I hope that helps.

Aw, c'mon, @boan000, you've been active here for 10 years.....Neither you, nor anyone else with a modicum of common sense does NOT know exactly what is acceptable and what is not...
Risk taking can have negative consequences, so no-one should be surprised at any forthcoming retribution should the line be crossed...

Dear Totem is there any way you can make classic cards available in games and such to those that have all the others?

I enjoy the heck out of slot machines and other games you provide but unfortunately have no reason to play them anymore for the upcoming TGIF's.

@chicsans... If we allow any kind of ***** speach on here it will be a dark path w/ I'm afraid will turn people off and can go off the rails fast.

Who gets to decide what qualifies as ***** speech?

@chicsans Thank you for noticing, yes I deleted my post regarding the KKK umbrage not because I wasn't offended but because I went too far in saying jackass lol and it is

not my place to say something about someone else because like me I'm sure we all type things without really

thinking them through ( I do it quite often just to get things off my chest then delete it ( or at least try ) in a forum

like this ( mainly because I'm scared to death of being banned now that I have a full collection ) lol just being honest.

I could sit here and type political satire all day long with you gents and be fine with it but like they were saying it's not the place.

We are here to just have a good time and hopefully give ideas ( such as more peeks before buys [ God bless Ginebra for saving us all ]) and to help Totem with new ideas and variety that would make things better for us all as a whole.

I am very grateful to be apart of this community and apreciate the open forums and for the way I have been accepted by you all as a Newb.

If we allow any kind of ***** speach on here it will be a dark path w/ I'm afraid will turn people off and can go off the rails fast.

I hope this makes sense and thank you for your good will and graciousness please have a great weekend.

That's why I just started a censorship thread. If we are going to start censoring speech here, we need more solid guidelines than what is posted now. "Causes discomfort" is pretty vague.

So let's break it down... which preferences and prejudices are permissable to express, and which are forbidden?

Unless we have solid guidelines, we need to assume that the freedom of speech afforded by natural law applies to every individual as long as it does not attack, threaten or encourage violence.

I find the KKK references to be of very bad taste
So what? This gives you the right to censor her speech?

I think you are ***** public rights and private rights. You are on a private forum. This is effectively Rex's house and Rex and can have rules about what is said in his house and if you can't abide by that you are banned or censored. I was banned for saying totem pisses me off...w/o warning...and saying that a mod shouldn't attack customers for being frustrated. I'm fine with it...it is within their "rights" to ban me forever if they do not want me in their house. I really didn't care if the post was even deleted or if chic was banned I just wanted mods to address the obvious and admitted racism...something that cannot be abided on a private forum of a company that hires people of all races, ethnicities, and religions.

Maybe we need to update the forum rules on what type of speech is permitted, and which type is forbidden.

Today, I learned that speech that can be viewed as racist is forbidden. Are there any other prejudices which are also not permitted to be expressed?

We need some solid guidelines here, I think. I can't be bothered to worry about whether something I say might offend some snowflakes, so let's get some solid guidelines from the moderators and team Totem of what is and what is not permitted here on these boards.

Absolutely. I thought you were defending the censorship of what she said.

I find the KKK references to be of very bad taste

So what? This gives you the right to censor her speech?

Of course not. Where did I indicate that? If you are all for free speech and all that, I am allowed to express my opinion of this, right?

WTF, we live in a world where people who cannot even figure out which gender they are, or what gender even is, making the decisions for everybody else....

I find the KKK references to be of very bad taste

So what? This gives you the right to censor her speech?

What a fracking mouthpiece. Your mother should be ashamed of herself for raising such a one who speaks so proficiently out of his ass.

Not trying to escalate this any further, but... I bet your mother wouldn't be very proud of you and your KKK references either.

I find the KKK references to be of very bad taste, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with sexual preferences based on body type, hair color or ethnicity. If I declare that I don't want to have any redheads here (and I'm not saying that, I love them :) ), it doesn't mean that I'm racist. It just means that my preferences lie elsewhere.

So let's chill, everyone, and move on.

Encore une carte que je n'aurais pas .......
Pas question d'acheter des cartes qui me plaisent pas pour en avoir une qui me plait....
Tant pis pour totem ............

Tout à fait accord avec cela mais pour une autre carte qui en vaudrait la peine, car Josephine👎

Chicsans' comment was deleted? Why? Is there a forum rule that any comments which might be construed as racist are not permitted in the forum? It's not posted in the rules thread, iirc. I ***** what's happening to culture... virtue signaling, hypocrisy and a ciulture full of wusses who to run off to a safe space with their crayons and teddy bears every time they hear or read something that offends their fragile sensibilities or that is contrary to their worldview in the slightest way.

Grow up, people!

@HombreSinSomba

I regret to inform you that we are all ***** with some amount of racism, with the exception of a few holier than thou persons such as @orclover and a few others of which I will not name as they are not in this part of the conversation. There was only one man who wasn't racist in any way, but that is a tenet that you do not subscribe to.

As to the Boni cards in my collection, they were part of the advent calendar promotion. Those two cards are in my grey never to be downloaded collection.

Catch you in the PM that I will soon send.

There is no such thing as freedom of speech...you are not allowed to say certain things without consequences even in western societies. You cannot slander, you cannot threaten, and private entities have rules that should be moderated...I imagine including statements of dissatisfaction based soley on race. I love satire and maybe the original commenter is too stupid to perform proper satire and just bludgeoned into a bad joke. But there is no evidence that said thing is a joke at all. Person said they might get preorder now that the only black girl is all done with cards, and that the only time they buy things involved with black is with their coffee. The fact that they were afraid to even have a black person in their collection is super racist. There certainly are levels of racism beyond this...I am more disgusted by the fact that moderators will warn somebody about nudity in a non-nude thread before they would warn a customer about being racist towards girls that the company is trying to sell. This board used to respect girls, used to respect their differences, but I suppose the same people that allow this stuff to propagate on the board are the same people that are allowing the company to run itself into the ground and below.

What a fracking mouthpiece. Your mother should be ashamed of herself for raising such a one who speaks so proficiently out of his ass. Or at least the words have the aroma fecal matter around them.

I also have a tendency to resent being called 'stupid'. Especially by one such as yourself who seems to be lacking the ability to spell words properly.

Earlier today I was named a 'jackass' by our good buddy @JonnBGood. At least he had enough good sense to delete his posting before too many people saw it.

So we should just ban anyone that has ever made a bad joke or made a sarcastic comment.

No, but we shouldn't turn a blind eye to it either. If no one ever calls someone on a bad joke, the joker will never know it was a bad joke and is likely to repeat it. This is a difficult decision we each need to make for ourselves. An innocent remark to one person can be deeply offensive to another. On the other hand, some people take offense very easily. There is no simple answer.

A personal example: I'm Jewish. I was born in Brooklyn in 1943. A large part of my extended family died in the Holocaust. Certain jokes about lampshades are not at all funny to me. Some people might see that as kidding around. I can't. Mostly I wouldn't say anything, but it would ***** just the same. To some people that is ancient history and no longer relevant. It isn't ancient to me.

I despise political correctness. I'm happy to occasionally root for the Washington Redskins and hold doors for women. However, I feel we should be aware of how what we say may be interpreted by others. We have as much of an obligation to avoid giving offense as we do to avoid taking offense. This media - messaging - makes it very easy to both give and take offense so we should take extra care. I'm sure we have all seen flame wars brew up over something that seemed very ***** at first.

I must admit I was a little perplexed after reading that post. 'What were you thinking?' was my first thought.

Many of us have made stupid posts after a drink or 3 and I can only put this episode down to something like that.

The post has now been removed.

If you check Chicky's card list, she already has 2 of Boni's cards in her collection so I can't imagine that she really is a racist. If that were truly the case, then I would be saddened more than she could know 😢

@orclover

So we should just ban anyone that has ever made a bad joke or made a sarcastic comment. I think we all made some bad jokes in our lifetimes, so by your logic, everyone should be banned. Hell, why do we even need forums or discussion boards anyway, let's just close them all because someone will get offended because of something at some point. This is the kind of society that the authoritarian left is pushing and striding for,

@orclover

I'm supporting freedom of speech, and the right to make jokes, even bad ones. I have five Boni cards, and my avatar is Sasha Banks, a black girl.

There is no such thing as freedom of speech...you are not allowed to say certain things without consequences even in western societies. You cannot slander, you cannot threaten, and private entities have rules that should be moderated...I imagine including statements of dissatisfaction based soley on race. I love satire and maybe the original commenter is too stupid to perform proper satire and just bludgeoned into a bad joke. But there is no evidence that said thing is a joke at all. Person said they might get preorder now that the only black girl is all done with cards, and that the only time they buy things involved with black is with their coffee. The fact that they were afraid to even have a black person in their collection is super racist. There certainly are levels of racism beyond this...I am more disgusted by the fact that moderators will warn somebody about nudity in a non-nude thread before they would warn a customer about being racist towards girls that the company is trying to sell. This board used to respect girls, used to respect their differences, but I suppose the same people that allow this stuff to propagate on the board are the same people that are allowing the company to run itself into the ground and below.

just because One person or a Group of People express a concern, that does not make that the rule of law to be followed.
That becomes MOB rule.
Be careful of the use of MOB rule...

I'm supporting freedom of speech, and the right to make jokes, even bad ones. I have five Boni cards, and my avatar is Sasha Banks, a black girl.

Hear here! Can the PC bullshit. It is a fundamental human right to speak one's mind, even if it's in bad taste or widely held in contempt. Besides, not being sexually attracted to black women doesn't make somebody a racist. Differing ethnicities are marked by physical characteristics that are commonly possessed by most people of that ethnicity. So the person in question just may have an aversion to those physical traits. The KKK comment was in poor taste, but so what? As long as nobody is attacked, or there is no call for violence, there is no need to censor somebody's speech.

@orclover

I'm supporting freedom of speech, and the right to make jokes, even bad ones. I have five Boni cards, and my avatar is Sasha Banks, a black girl.