@TheEmo

I did not come to this conclusion. In the end I got this SEC after buying 120 scratch cards, and had 10 credits more than I started with. For me there does not seem to have been much of a change.
OK, so based on your claim that you were getting about the same "break even" odds as in previous events, I decided to buy another 100 cards "for science" and then post my exact results from both sets of 100 cards.

First 100 cards, which I bought back on Friday (prior to my earlier post) yielded the following:
66 -- no win
30 -- 10 credits
4 -- 50 credits
0 -- 100 credits
0 -- SEC
(net loss of 500 credits)

Second set of 100 cards, purchased today:
27 -- no win
67 -- 10 credits
6 -- 50 credits
0 -- 100 credits
0 -- SEC
(net loss of 30 credits)

Combined, over the 200 cards, that makes:
93 -- no win
97 -- 10 credits
10 -- 50 credits
0 -- 100 credits
0 -- SEC

As you can see, there's a HUGE difference in the "no-win" versus "10-credit" outcomes between the two sets.

Because of the relatively large prizes of 50 and 100 credits compared to the 10 credit cost of a scratch card, with corresponding low odds of winning them, you need to try far more than 100 cards before you can make a reasonable estimate of the long term odds for these games.
While I totally agree that 100 (or even 200) cards is not a statistically significant number for determining the odds of things like the 100-credit wins, it should be a realtively decent number of trials for determining the "10-credit" and "no win" chances. And while it's true that the differences between my results on Friday and my results today could be due to just very odd luck, I personally think (especially given Totem's track record for screwed-up coding) that it's probably more likely that something was very broken with the game before, and they fixed it sometime between Friday and today. When did you buy your 120 cards?

My hunch (just a guess) was that for people like me with all the cards that couldn't get normal card wins, perhaps the game was previously giving them a "no win" in place of a normal-card win, and is now giving them a "10-credit" win in place of the normal-card win. Indeed, my results today look much, much closer to what I've seen in past scratch-off events.

[Edit: Just for reference... In both cases (both days), I purchased all the scratch cards in 20-card batches, though I wouldn't suspect that it makes any difference.]

I am also curious if the odd are different because you can't win cards. If you can't win one of the prizes, then that must change the probability.

Petite question.

Hier soir j'ai décidé de faire jouer 5 cartes. J'ai déselectionner toutes les autres, car je ne voulais voir que les filles de ces cartes en les faisant danser dans différentes scènes.

Je ne suis rendu compte que parfois dans les scènes avec plusieurs filles qui dansent, il y avait des rectangles blancs, qui apparaîssaient à la place des filles.

Est-ce que cela s'est déjà produit pour vous, et est-ce que quelqu'un sait pourquoi cela se produit ?

Je n'ai jamais remarqué cela, lorsque toutes mes cartes sont sélectionnées.

J'ai fait une recherche sur le forum, mais je ne trouve rien à ce sujet.

Il faut dire que ma mauvaise compréhension de l'anglais n'aide pas.

Je ne suis pas capable de faire de capture d'écran, car la scène disparaît, lorsque je veux le faire.

Merci.

hey i'm a new user and i was checking the slot machine. After running it I clicked buy ... thinking it would open another screen to finish. Can I get a refund for these credits used on cards? I didn't even get to download them.

Hi @sh42n81

Just in case you are reading still here :)
Do you know those Moments where you have this AHAA! Effect?

One possibility which i didn't think about yet is SNAP > https://snapcraft.io/store

Inside of Ubuntu you can use the Snap Service beside the APT Package Manager too.
Snap's are acting as a Container, which are containing all dependencies for that specific Package.
I don't like Snap at all, just like Wine but maybe this could be a possibility ... maybe,
for iStripper for Linux. And Snap is maintained by Canonical.

But i think Canonical will not allow Adult Content in the Snap Store, like Google and Apple.

But there is also the Flatpak Service > https://flatpak.org/
And Flatpak is in the official Ubuntu Repo > https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/flatpak

Flatpak is indipendent from Canonical, and an Community only Project.
Otherwise i'm not sure about the Future about those Container based Formats like Docker for example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docker_(software)

I'm not sure about my Idea but maybe it's worth to share this Information.

@7171al71

looks good,
it adds that extra ambiance to make it feel a bit more life like.

@Wyldanimal : Thanks! I'm going to 50% with this, now comes all the fine part of adjustments and several other things, but it looks beautiful. I am already understanding your code better (the scene with your lighting gets along very well, they are like soul mates ...😂)

I attach a partial demo

Creative room special edition (Demo Video):
https://youtu.be/KdzdhWByPAU

Thank You @TheEmu for the tips & pointers. Now I can see what I needed to do Thanks to @Carstrip (you are a life saver !! appreciate it 👍)

I now have a sincere appreciation for All of you scene makers 👍

@JayZ971 - After my previous post I also noticed that you have not properly closed the clipnamesprites. For every { at the start of any node there must be a } at its end. Unfortunately the system does not ***** when you make a mistake of this type, things just go wrong because the various nodes are not nested as they are intended to be.

More specifically you omitted the closing { for the first clipnamesprite, so everything else in the scene is nested inside it. This means, among other things, that any pos: clauses specify positions relative to that of that first clipnamesprite - hence the offsetting that you see in the final scene. And, as I said in my previous post. the clip names get hidden behind everything else in the scene because you have put the clipname sprites as the first elements in the scene.

For whoever wants the name sprites on the 3 fullscreen scenes from @titiii glass scenes yesterday, I just added them, link to .scn files below 😉
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DylOSkIJ-pOmImQK9VcGCgRYztdiZZH4/view?usp=sharing

@JayZ971 - you seem to have moved the clipNameSprites to the beginning of the camera node rather than to the end. Because of this they are behind everything else in the scene, including the background. Move them to just befre the final "}" in the .scn file. That character should be the closing brace corresponding to the opening "{" of the camera node.

For a simple scene

Camera { // start of camera node
.. camera parameters go here
.. various sprites for the various scene elements go here
clipnameSprite{ //start of clipnamesprite node
.. clipname sprite parameters
} // closes the clipnamesprite
} // closes the camera node - should be last thing in file

Typically you want the clipNameSprites to be in the foreground rather than be obscured by other scene elements, so they go last in the .scn file.

@Dfner

But my point actually was that there was one way to get SEC without any gambling element involved. And that was purchasing that Premium membership when it was introduced (like I did). That way you got your Joker card, and therefore, effectively, an SEC of your choice without any gambling.

You're right, there was also a Joker card given when you filled the thermometer during last year's Black Friday promotion. This did involve gambling, but still everyone had a clear way of getting it.
This is actually not a bad idea btw: allowing everyone to win a Joker card after spending a certain amount.


@TheEmu

What was the second route of getting the 1st SECs if it wasn't gambling?
The second route was gambling. It was a way of gettiing the SECs. Without this second route there was absolutely NO way of getting a SEC if you had missed (or deliberately ignored) the original event. It was a solution that did provide the requested second way of getting the cards - that some people did not like that way of getting them does not mean that it was not a solution - albeit not a universaly acceptable one but no one ever claimed that it was.

Sorry I misunderstood your post at first, I thought you said there was a second route, then came the gambling. I get your point.
Just saying again, I'm fine with SECs part of a package: you buy the package, you get the SEC. That's the main difference for me with SECs you get only through gambling, even the 1st SECs (which haven't been offered in any other way than gambling since). You take part in the promotion, well... the chances are higher you don't get the SEC. Therefore, if most of the time you can't get what you're playing for, that's not a solution.

You can put it in a simple way: if there is another way, there will probably be less people taking part in the scratch game. If people choose not to gamble, that might just be because it's not worth the time, credits and all unwanted cards.
Exactly correct, and that is pretty well the point I have been trying to make all along. Changing things is likely to cost Totem money unless they are careful, Changing things in the simple ways that have been suggested would almost certainly cost them money - would you willingly reduce your profits ?

How can you be sure this will reduce Totem's profits?
You seem to be concerned with Totem's profits from the scratch game but you said many times yourself you get the SECs for free and even earn credits.
Many members don't gamble, if Totem gets them to buy a package with the SEC they want, that's another way of generating profit.
Plus, as I said, gambling can stay, members who want it could still gamble.

I took part in the scratch game several times this year, I gave it a go, thinking "ok, maybe we can get an SEC this way" the only SEC I got was Anastasiia which was "given" automatically after 30 or so scratch cards. Well, I came to the conclusion this method simply doesn't work, I ended up with about 100 cards I didn't want for twice or 3 times the price. That made me think, why pay for something I don't want? Since then, I realised what I ***** in these games made me want to spend less here. How is that for profit?
I haven't spent as much as members with a full collection, but most members have a partial collection. And if these members realise chasing SECs through gambling is pointless, the scratch game will become less and less profitable.

We can only speculate on the intentions, but the odds show that this game is designed to make most members pour in a lot of credits, not for most members to win an SEC.
Yes we can speculate on the intentions, but whatever the intensions were the gambling games did provide a second way to get the SECs, no matter how unpopular that way turned out to be it was still a way to get the cards.

Gambling is indeed a 2nd way of getting the package SECs, and has been the only way up to now to get the majority of SECs.

@JayZ971 - also the clipNameSprites, like all scene elements, should be inside the camera node - i.e. pkaced before what had been the closing "}" character if the .scn file not after it as you seem to have done.

@JayZ971 - for the X component of each clipNameSprite's pos: clause I would suggest that you use the same value that was used for the X component of the pos: clause in the corresponding clipSprite. This will vertically align each girl with her name.

@TheEmu @Stanston

I did move the clipNameSprites to the camera section & adjusted the values.....this was the result. I'm going to try later, may even just delete the scene. Thank you again for all your help.

@JayZ971

what would be the values for each girl ?

Do it like myself, just Testing it out through changing these Values :)

@JayZ971 - for the X component of each clipNameSprite's pos: clause I would suggest that you use the same value that was used for the X component of the pos: clause in the corresponding clipSprite. This will vertically align each girl with her name.

Change the
pos: 500, 500Value for Girl02. At the moment both Names are laying on top of each other :)

@Stanston

This is roughly where I want the names to go, what would be the values for each girl ?

@JayZ971 - also the clipNameSprites, like all scene elements, should be inside the camera node - i.e. pkaced before what had been the closing "}" character if the .scn file not after it as you seem to have done.

Change the

pos: 500, 500

Value for Girl02. At the moment both Names are laying on top of each other :)

@Stanton

I agree with Ragorn & stefnev1 we're having a respectful conversation here, just expressing different views, so no need to ban anyone.
Grabandt's post had nothing insulting nor aggressive.

@JayZ971 - You needed to put the clipNameSprite in a gap between scene elements, not nested inside a clipSprite. I would suggest putting it immediately after the closing "}" character of the clipSprite.

@JayZ971
I uploaded the Content from one of my Scenefiles, check it out 😉
https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XQBdyxMx8G/

Thanks @TheEmu @Stanston

The scene that I am trying to put the name sprite on has 2 girls. I moved the clipNameSprite to the bottom of the .scn file & got it to work for one of the girls. So I guess that I need to do another clipNameSprite for the other girl.....

I did add the other clipNameSprite......now neither name works.....suggestions ? (screenshot)

@7171al71

yes, use it.

I agree with @RAGORN : as the conversation stay in respect and fair-play between all the members, no ban is necessary. We are adults and we can have a serious discussion between us (and Totem which is reading what we write, believe me).
@stefnev1 - my biggest problem with this is that I am getting bored with the circular and repetitive nature of the conversation. Especially as it is not the first time the subject has been aired in the Forum.

😟

Well, that's the thing with most arguments here - since there's nothing really to discuss, apart from the quality of girls which one may or may not like.

There's a couple of topics taht will resurface from time to time:

Ethnic diversity,
Costumes,
Props,
Special cards,
[put whatever you think is boring here]

@pickle1

Especially as it is not the first time the subject has been aired in the Forum.

I know, but this thing is not against the rules edicted by Totem for the forum, it's not considered as "spam".

@JayZ971
I uploaded the Content from one of my Scenefiles, check it out 😉
https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XQBdyxMx8G/

@Wyldanimal: your scene lighting code is amazing !!! (+WA - Lights2 = 1080p Camera2.scn)
I'm doing a hybrid scene and it looks spectacular. It is a very good wine for my eyes.
I want to leave your lighting code 100% pure and merge it with this special scene.
Once I finish it, can I publish it with your corresponding acknowledgments?
Is it possible that the lighting resolution is 4K?

@JayZ971 - You needed to put the clipNameSprite in a gap between scene elements, not nested inside a clipSprite. I would suggest putting it immediately after the closing "}" character of the clipSprite.

@JayZ971
Sorry, i don't use this feature for myself and so i don't include it in my scenes...
Perhaps i should considerate add names if some of you use it !

It is easy to add by yourself, just open a .scn with a text editor, add...

clipNameSprite {
scale: 0.75, 0.75
pos: 500, 500
source: Clip
}

...anywhere in a space and that it !

All you have to do now is : name correctly the source (Clip, Girl, Girl01...) copy paste if more than 1 girl (with different source name) adjust pos: horizontal, vertical

Tried to add, didn't work.....please check discussion thread

@titiii

I tried to add the girls name & show to the .scn file and this is the result. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

I agree with @RAGORN : as the conversation stay in respect and fair-play between all the members, no ban is necessary. We are adults and we can have a serious discussion between us (and Totem which is reading what we write, believe me).

@stefnev1 - my biggest problem with this is that I am getting bored with the circular and repetitive nature of the conversation. Especially as it is not the first time the subject has been aired in the Forum.

😟

Verona Sky

@RAGORN, oui, ce courant existe et à déjà marqué des points dans l'un ou l'autre domaine.
Espérons que nous pourrons le combattre et le vaincre, sinon l'avenir sera triste.😪😢

@TheEmu

I do, however, admit that anyone who wants to be selective about which cards they buy is not likely to gain if he or she regards unwanted cards as being worthless - but those with full collections are not selective buyers unless they have greatly changed their habits just before playing one of these games.

You are absolutely right here, as much as regards to the more selective clients (which I am one) as to the collectors.

Of course, if you want all cards and you still miss some, many games are going to appeal to you.

@RAGORN - that is fine, the gambling aspect certainly is not for everyone but your claim that customers like me have nothing to gain from rhe games is not correct. We risk not getting a SEC, or if we are not careful of losing a lot of credits but we can, and I regularly do, gain from the games - its just that we can not be certain to do so.

I do, however, admit that anyone who wants to be selective about which cards they buy is not likely to gain if he or she regards unwanted cards as being worthless - but those with full collections are not selective buyers unless they have greatly changed their habits just before playing one of these games.

I have a full collection but I seem to gave gained from it to the tune of several SECs at little or no cost

Exactly. The SECs are a loyalty bonus for people with full collections. The rest of us can spend large sums on the games, to maybe get the SEC or a joker. Full collections might not constitute the mass of users, but each one represents a more substantial investment from the collector and it makes commercial sense to offer a reward.

i'm further enjoying my Shows.

Have fun then 😉

@Philours

Nous avons la chance, vous comme moi, d'habiter dans un pays de liberté et ne voulons pas faire marche arrière ou résider dans un état totalitaire. N'est-ce pas?

Oui, nous commettons trop souvent l'erreur d'oublier à quel points les libertés dont nous bénéficions en démocratie sont fragiles et doivent être protégées et chéries. Il existe aujourd'hui un courant de pensée qui vise à faire taire toute personne exprimant une opinion contraire à la nôtre et cette tendance est extrêmement dangereuse.

@PAGORN

Can I suggest you to Google Freedom of Speech ?

No, that's not necessary :)

We are having a civilized and respectful discussion about a controversial policy from a company we otherwise hold in high esteem. Under the circumstances, there is no need to ban anyone. Besides,
forcibly silencing people's anger is rarely a good solution.
Rather, their anger risks to turn into rage and expressing itself differently. Notably through the loss of customers.

Like i was saying, when Emotions come to play things will become uncontrollable, so yes it was totally my fold.
But it was not my Goal to offend or piss off the other Members like i mentioned.
So if someone is feeling offended or anything else i Apologize for that.

And further to stay on my Opinion which should be Ok,

However, those with a full or almost full collection (let's say triple-diamond customer) have nothing to gain from it.
So it would be wise to allow them to acquire all the cards without having to submit to games that only increase their frustration and anger.

I'm thankful for my Discounts which i'm getting through my Status, it is totally Ok for me.
I'm more than Thankful, that i was be able myself to get the iStripper Software
running inside of Linux, to use the Product.
I'm totally not frustrated with the iStripper Product, and for that Reason was my previous Post
not that necessary.

I Love the iStripper Product just like it is, and at least from my own Perception,
and when i'm watching the Shows i have the Feeling that Totem is on a good course.
But with that said, i'm stepping back from this Discussion, and Apologize again for my action.
So please feel free to Discuss whatever you want, i'm further enjoying my Shows.

@sh42n81 very daring composition, love it !

@titiii

Thank you. I had to settle for some compromises with this one.

@TheEmu

I have a full collection but I seem to gave gained from it to the tune of several SECs at little or no cost - in several cases I made a profit as well as getting the card. I may even be a little up overall for going for the SECs via the games. I prefer the non-gambling methods and only resort to the games when I need to, but I have certainly not lost out by doing so.

Well, good for you. I'm quite sure that Totem will allow its customers to continue to participate in gambling even if they implement an alternative solution. However and as many users have shown, it's certainly possible to spend hundreds of credits without obtaining the SEC. And even if you're lucky enough to win an SEC, it's not necessarily the one you wanted to obtain. I'm among the customers who are not willing to waste their money in gambling. Even if I could win.

. En outre, faire taire de ***** la colère des gens est rarement une bonne solution.

Comme le dit @RAGORN est tout à fait correct.

Sans doute, vous vous êtes laissé emporter par vos émotions, comme vous le dite vous-même @Stanston.

Nous avons la chance, vous comme moi, d'habiter dans un pays de liberté et ne voulons pas faire marche arrière ou résider dans un état totalitaire. N'est-ce pas?

[quote]. Besides, forcibly silencing people's anger is rarely a good solution. [/ Quote]
As @RAGORN says is absolutely correct.

No doubt you got carried away by your emotions, as you yourself say @Stanston.

We are fortunate, you and me, to live in a land of freedom and do not want to back down or reside in a totalitarian state. Is not it?

@JayZ971
Sorry, i don't use this feature for myself and so i don't include it in my scenes...
Perhaps i should considerate add names if some of you use it !

It is easy to add by yourself, just open a .scn with a text editor, add...

clipNameSprite {
scale: 0.75, 0.75
pos: 500, 500
source: Clip
}

...anywhere in a space and that it !

All you have to do now is :

• name correctly the source (Clip, Girl, Girl01...)
• copy paste if more than 1 girl (with different source name)
• adjust pos: horizontal, vertical

titiii_glass_office
3 scenes

https://mega.nz/folder/8doXEBza#Q9mC0oU0r6Net2ZTjIm1Jg

@titiii

Would it be possible to have the girls name & show appear in the scenes ?

I agree with @RAGORN : as the conversation stay in respect and fair-play between all the members, no ban is necessary. We are adults and we can have a serious discussion between us (and Totem which is reading what we write, believe me).

However, those with a full or almost full collection (let's say triple-diamond customer) have nothing to gain from it.

I have a full collection but I seem to gave gained from it to the tune of several SECs at little or no cost - in several cases I made a profit as well as getting the card. I may even be a little up overall for going for the SECs via the games. I prefer the non-gambling methods and only resort to the games when I need to, but I have certainly not lost out by doing so.

@sh42n81 very daring composition, love it !

@Stanston

Can I suggest you to Google Freedom of Speech ?

We are having a civilized and respectful discussion about a controversial policy from a company we otherwise hold in high esteem. Under the circumstances, there is no need to ban anyone. Besides, forcibly silencing people's anger is rarely a good solution. Rather, their anger risks to turn into rage and expressing itself differently. Notably through the loss of customers.

We can have different points of view, but when a company implements a policy that angers so many loyal customers, this is generally not a good thing. Silencing the opponents won't solve anything.

Once again, the gambling and the games are certainly a good thing for both new customers and Totem. I have no problem with that.

However, those with a full or almost full collection (let's say triple-diamond customer) have nothing to gain from it. So it would be wise to allow them to acquire all the cards without having to submit to games that only increase their frustration and anger.

Here is "Carnival 2."

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=14vD0LeUZzt8Lvcw7_pPg0haS4-xpttl8

@Grabandt

Everyone has a different opinion about it, it would be bad if everyone had the same opinion.

In this case i will not hold back my Opinion to the whole SEC,
Gambling or whatever Situation, here on iStripper.
Please keep in Mind, it's only my own/one Opinion, it shall not insulting or piss off anyone.
When you feel insulted or pissed off, then it's not my Fold, that was definitively not my Goal.

This will be my last attempt to be a voice of reason, if it not helps,
you can still smash your Heads after that. I'm laying back in the meanwhile and shaking my Head about it.

But only for a short Moment, because there are waiting roundabout 1900 Girls for my Attention.

We all know that a critical Mass of upset and dissatisfied people will for sure destroy things.
Driven by your Emotions, will Result in an uncontrolled Situation, that is the Truth.
Because an upset and dissatisfied Situation is a result from the wrong Expactations.
And from Expectation follows the Disappointment, alwasy my Friends always, that is also the Truth
That is the Reason why i don't have any Expectations in anyone else, except for myself.

I also know that there are more many Users which are satisfied with iStripper, and i'm one of them.
But they are holding back, which is sad but everyone to it's own.
But it would be sad when the Mass of satisfied Users is bigger as the Mass of the
dissatisfied Users. And that the dissatisfied Users Mass, are be able to Shut Down iStripper.
That would be sad, only because a few Users are not getting all and everything at anytime.

Also i will not Say, that Totem is making everything right, and i think there is always
room for improvement. But again we have no Idea what's going on behind the Curtain.

And i really could imagine that Totem isn't generating enough Money only from the Card Prices (regular Shows),
to bring us every Day a new Show, yes it could be the case. No i'm sure that is the case.
Otherwise they didn't decide to do so with the SEC Card's the Gambling and the Outfit Auction.

Then at the end everyone will get paid for his Work. It is a given and taken.
Totem takes our Money, but they are giving us wonderful Girls for that.
That is the Reason why we are here. That is the Reason why I am here.

And we know for sure, the the Team is reading this Topic. And if we are patient
they will react. But at the end this Reaction will not satisfy everyone, but it is what it is.
You can't satisfy everyone it is what it is, accept this Situation, otherwise you will never come to rest.

And now comes the harsh part, and yes driven by my Emotions for sure,
again please keep my introductory statement in Mind.

Maybe it's a good Idea that Totem is Banning all those upset and dissatisfied User for a while from the Forum.
But still with Access to the rest of the iStripper Universe.
To give them Time to come to Rest for themself, and to give Totem the Time to reorganize their Stuff and Things.
To not mess around any more, with such stupid and annoying Situations.

And if these Users are still not be able to Understand the two medals principle,
then these Mass of Users should look for another thing, which one attracts your attention.
Then obviously iStripper doesn't it for you any more.

Thanks for Reading ✌

Thanks for new VR... keep the VR coming.... always enjoy

this post is a little to long for me to read it but the 1st paragraph had a few statements that needed comment.

But it will be of no use if we keep talking about the same problem, SEC cards.
Because Totem will hardly take us into consideration, in addition, Totem has recognized how one can earn additional money or compensate for losses.

Not sure what consideration you are looking for but yes totem realizes the gambling makes them money

Just like you, I have a large collection and I always bought every card, then the SEC cards were introduced. Of course, all cards from iStripper are a "must" for collectors.

We have different definitions of 'collector' - I collect the cards I want. Some I can take or leave; and the ones I don't want - I don't want in my collection at any price not even if they were free.

The problem, we thought the cards were really something special, because it was said, "The cards are only available now at this point in time" and then no more.

Never being available doesn't make them special? I have zero exclusive (aka SEC) cards but plenty of cards that cannot be purchased any longer but there is nothing special about them?

After a lot of criticism, Totem changed the strategy a bit.

Totem did not make any change because of any kind of criticism. Totem second exclusive card was a gambling game. Once they saw how much money they made they realized their mistake in saying the first exclusive card would "never be available again" so they made more gambling games and offered the previously never available card again as a prize.

Now we are ***** with the SEC cards, because the distances where they appear are getting shorter and shorter.
In addition, the joker cards, of course everyone would like to have them, because if you miss an SEC card, you still have the joker and can use it.

We are ***** with exclusive cards because they are highly profitable; many members are willing to waste both their time and credits to get a card simply because they cant get it any other way. As long as it's profitable it will remain.

And while I guess everyone would like a joker; I personally wouldn't do anything stupid to get one. Never had one and doubt I ever will

@GKAR45 ok i'm going back and enjoy my winnings u have a good night.✌✌✌