I've watched all the VR 180 shows now. I like them all, some better than others. My favourites from memory are Veronica Leal (probably most of all), Li Moon, Agatha Vega, Polly Pons, Kecy Hill, probably a few others, but there's too many to remember without watching them again.

Kecy's show is the only one where you can see "your" legs I think, and it's the only one with music and the only one with a smoke machine, like in a fancy strip club, I really liked the atmosphere. And there was a kind of vulnerable look in Kecy's eyes that is sexy. I like the confident, blissfully happy look on an erotic entertainer's face best, but there can be huge sexiness in vulnerability where the girl is placing her trust in you, and I wouldn't want to be unworthy of that trust - not that that would be a problem really in a pretend situation.

I love it best when the woman puts her face very close to yours and looks in your eyes, whether it's with confident bliss or hopeful vulnerability. It's so intimate, even more so than her state of undress in my opinion and I love the intimacy, which seems almost real in VR.

@XxSPACEDEVILxX

oh ich wusste gar nicht das ich verschiedene aufgaben wie zum beispiel einen eintrag hier machen muss...laaaaaach......

Ja ja die Achievements ... viele Freut es, der eine braucht es und der nächste ... lasse ich mal offen :)

naja dann mal liebe grüsse an alle neuen und alten hier

Die Grüße gehen wärmstens zurück 😊

und genießt es denn iStripper ist das beste und geilste was es gibt!!! I LOVE IT ❤️

Dito :) Und falls Du doch mal in Englisch schreiben musst > https://www.deepl.com/translator
Der interne Übersetzer hier möchte manchmal nicht, von daher sind Alternativen immer eine gute Wahl.

Donc il ne me reste qu'a faire la grève des "Special Card". Na!!!👎👎

So I just have to go on strike for the "Special Card". Na!!!

😊 oh ich wusste gar nicht das ich verschiedene aufgaben wie zum beispiel einen eintrag hier machen muss...laaaaaach......

naja dann mal liebe grüsse an alle neuen und alten hier und genießt es denn iStripper ist das beste und geilste was es gibt!!! I LOVE IT ❤️

euer SPACEDEVIL

OT
@gkar45

if this happens the sob's are going to a owe me some frinkin money

Nevermind, we are all for sale and we like to make ourselves dependent, including myself.
And No Money Back Guarantee.

YOU FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT THE CREDIT SYSTEM HAVE NO MONETARY VALUE
AND CANNOT BE REDEEMED FOR CASH. NO REFUNDS WILL BE MADE FOR THE PURCHASE OF CREDITS.

That little Hook in the Installer Routine you Remember ? 😉
But that is not my concern or Problem, because for myself i was totally aware of that
from the beginning, and i think most of us too.

@sh42n81

Yes, the worst that the U.S. could do would be to block U.S. citizens from accessing Totem's applications

Adult Content will be unfortunately always a Problem in our "clean World" but in my
Opinion those who want to block such Content are feared about the internet
and his opportunities because they don't know how to handle this Technology.

And when you can't control something, you can always block it.
But we all know, the forbidden Fruit was always the sweetest.
And as usual all our Crystal Balls will stay in Repair forever :)
OT/

If you Have Multiple Screen setup you can select which screen to cast.
on my Laptop I only have One screen connected.
But in the 2nd pop up, you will see a Thumbnail of each screen. you have to Click on the Thumbnail
then click Share.

Yes, I do this often.
I set up a playlist of cards or clips to watch
Select the Full Screen Scenes with Single Models slots I want to watch.
turn of istripper sounds ( the Mute Icon )
Put on a Music app with a playlist
then Cast my desktop ( in sources at the bottom of the cast window )
Start the Music app
Then Start full Screen

It takes a second or two for the cast to start.
You can't interact to the Cast Screen in real time, as it is streamed to a Cache and then displayed from the cached copy.

but most of the time there is no Pauses or loss of Cache content to wait for..

it's just a second or so behind the actual screen.

one of My TV is a LG 3D TV with a 2D to 3D mode.

iStripper looks really good in 3D
Sometimes the 3D conversion is a bit off, but most of the time it's really good.

Especially If I created the Scenes to look good in 3D.

Anyway, I am not saying that this way of doing things is illegal. As I said, it is unfair towards loyal customers, and especially those who have all the cards, because in this case, we have more to lose than to gain. I don't think the American government can do much about it, Totem being a company based in France.De toute façon, je ne dis pas que cette façon de faire est illégale. Comme je le précisais, elle est déloyale envers les fidèles clients, et surtout ceux qui ont toutes les cartes, car dans ce cas, on a plus à perdre qu'à gagner. Je ne pense pas que le gouvernement américain puisse y faire grand chose, Totem étant une compagnie établie en France.

Yes, the worst that the U.S. could do would be to block U.S. citizens from accessing Totem's applications, as they did with the poker sites. The poker sites continue to operate outside the U.S., but I can't use them. I would not like that to happen to iStripper! 😦

Last of the Voyeur series.

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1qkQVGBBsMXQT6nuD_rdTWLHNb5CuLjq0

En effet @stefnev1 le vrai terme est "Easter egg". J'ai repris l'expression d'Alarsi dans son message "oeuf caché".

On trouvait souvent à l'époque des scènes "easter egg (oeuf de Pâques)" sur les DVD.

Anyway, I am not saying that this way of doing things is illegal. As I said, it is unfair towards loyal customers, and especially those who have all the cards, because in this case, we have more to lose than to gain. I don't think the American government can do much about it, Totem being a company based in France.

De toute façon, je ne dis pas que cette façon de faire est illégale. Comme je le précisais, elle est déloyale envers les fidèles clients, et surtout ceux qui ont toutes les cartes, car dans ce cas, on a plus à perdre qu'à gagner. Je ne pense pas que le gouvernement américain puisse y faire grand chose, Totem étant une compagnie établie en France.

was running great yesterday downloading, but today rest of my collection shows an error in downloading ...how can i resume my download

Traduction en français du message de @sh42n81 avec Google traduction:

Je n'ai pas vraiment suivi ces événements et je ne connais que vaguement les jeux de hasard menés par Totem. Je ne les joue certainement jamais et je n'ai pas assez besoin d'une carte pour m'intéresser à ça.

Mais je peux dire que dans de nombreux États des États-Unis, et probablement dans tous les États, il est légal pour les entreprises d'organiser un «concours», mais il est illégal pour elles d'organiser une «loterie». Pour qu'un tirage au sort franchisse la ligne et devienne une loterie, il doit y avoir trois éléments:

1) Prix: quelque chose de valeur à attribuer à certains mais pas à tous les participants.
2) Chance: qui reçoit le prix est déterminé par hasard et non par compétence
3) Considération: les participants doivent payer pour jouer. Cela comprend l'obligation d'acheter quelque chose. Si un autre moyen de participation «aucun achat nécessaire» est proposé, le tirage au sort n'est pas une loterie.

Je ne suis pas un avocat, mais ce sujet a été beaucoup discuté dans un cours de droit de la radiodiffusion que j'ai suivi à l'université en raison de la prédominance d'annonceurs organisant des promotions de tirages au sort à la radio et à la télévision. Je me souviens aussi quand les États-Unis ont interdit tous les sites de poker en ligne il y a dix ans, même si l'on pouvait raisonnablement argumenter que le poker repose au moins autant sur les compétences que sur le hasard.

Le gouvernement américain a d'autres problèmes dont il faut s'inquiéter en ce moment, mais cela ne me surprendrait pas s'il finit par prendre connaissance des jeux de Totem, s'ils sont effectivement illégaux. D'un autre côté, iStripper peut être assez petit pour voler sous le radar pendant des *****ées sans attirer l'attention des autorités.

@Carstrip

Nice one! I have no cards with glass clips, and haven't really had any interest in them, but this scene tempts me.

I have not really been following these events and I'm only vaguely aware of the games of chance run by Totem. I certainly never play them and don't need any card badly enough to be interested in that.

But I can say that in many states in the U.S., and probably all states, it is legal for companies to run a "sweepstakes" but illegal for them run a "lottery." For a sweepstakes to cross the line and become a lottery, there must be three elements:

1) Prize: something of value to be awarded to some but not all participants.
2) Chance: who is awarded the prize is determined by chance and not skill
3) Consideration: entrants must pay to play. This includes being required to purchase something. If an alternative "no purchase necessary" means of entry is provided, then the sweepstakes is not a lottery.

I am not a lawyer, but this topic was heavily discussed in a broadcasting law class that I took in college due to the prevalance of advertisers running sweepstakes promotions on radio and television. I also remember when the U.S. banned all the online poker sites a decade ago, even though you could make a reasonable argument that poker relies on skill at least as much as on chance.

The U.S. government has other problems to worry about right now, but it wouldn't surprise me if they eventually take notice of Totem's games, if they are indeed illegal. On the other hand, iStripper may be small enough to fly under the radar for years without attracting the attention of the authorities.

@Voyeurpervers,

In terms of mobilizing people, I have already tried. And not just people. I also try with customer service.

Read this:
https://www.istripper.com/fr/forum/thread/42891/1?post=633280
Everything about iStripper / To those like me who want to be able to buy special event cards (To those like me who want to be able to buy the cards ...
To those like me who want to be able to buy special event cards Hello It is very rare that I ***** or express my displeasure on this forum. In fact, I don't think I've ever done it before. It is no ...
I ran into a categorical refusal from this service to be able to buy these cards at a higher price.

They are not for sale to me, and I have to accept this decision.

Then I ran into people on this forum who have played these games, and who have also paid a heavy price. They refuse the idea of ​​having to accept that others pay a price, which they will deem too low anyway, in relation to what they probably had to pay to have them.

There are others who, although they understand the frustration of people like me who refuse to play games of chance, justify this Totem policy by saying to themselves that it is a way of compensating for their losses, as they give discounts to members. Moreover, according to them, Totem is there to make money, which is true. (In my opinion, this way of doing things is not good, only frustrating their loyal customers. It is counterproductive, in my opinion, to do so.)

There are those who accept that these cards are sacrificed to allow the price of the cards to cost less. (I had raised the idea of ​​increasing the cost of the cards a little, so that this practice ceased).

There are others like me who disagree with this way of doing things, and who don't mind letting it be known when the opportunity arises.

So a lot of people in disagreement, and Totem takes advantage of this division not to change things.

I especially regret, and you will read it in the discussion thread, that there was an announcement at the time made by a member of the Totem team, promising to obtain these cards in another way, given the observation of the frustration that this policy of the SEC caused. This was to be done by the end of the year.

Here is what @Kaiju, a team member, replied:

"Hi All,

We understand that some of you are frustrated because of the "special events" cards and we hear you.

The truth is that Totem always had in mind to create "rare" cards (It probably has something to do with the fact that the founders are Magic players;)). Among the 7 special event cards we have released so far, 4 come from pre-orders or advent calendars and 3 were added on the occasion of a scratch ticket promotion.

We had already heard your claims with the first Special Event cards we had released. This is why we have decided to create the Joker card, to give you more chances to get the special event cards. And it worked! 50 of you have earned this joker card and were able to get Melena's special card if they hadn't won it when scratching.

But it's obviously still frustrating when you have no luck. That's why we have decided to work on new means to obtain special event cards NOT based only on luck but as rewards for your LOYALTY.

We'll keep posted on this by the end of the year. "

This promise has NEVER BEEN RESPECTED.

@Voyeurpervers,

Pour ce qui est de mobiliser les gens, j'ai déjà essayer. Et pas juste les gens. J'ai aussi essayer auprès du service à la clientèle.

Lire ceci : https://www.istripper.com/fr/forum/thread/42891/1?post=633280

Je me suis heurté a un refus catégorique auprès de ce service, de pouvoir acheter ces cartes a un prix plus élevé.

Elles ne sont pas à vendre m'a t'on répondu, et je dois accepter cette décision.

Ensuite, je me suis heurté à des gens sur ce forum, qui ont joué à ces jeux, et qui ont aussi payé le prix fort. Ils refusent l'idée, de devoir accepter que d'autres paient un prix, qu'ils jugeront de toutes façon trop bas, en lien à ce que eux ont probablement dû payer pour les avoir.

Il y en a d'autres, qui eux, bien qu'ils comprennent la frustration des gens qui comme moi se refusent de jouer à des jeux de hasard, justifient cette politique de Totem en se disant que c'est une façon de compenser leurs pertes, vu qu'ils accordent des rabais aux membres. De plus selon eux, Totem est là pour faire de l'argent, ce qui est vrai. (Par contre selon moi, cette façon de faire n'est pas bonne, ne faisant que frustrer leurs fidèles clients. C'est contre productif, à mon avis d'agir ainsi.)

Il y en a qui acceptent que ces cartes soient sacrifiées pour permettre que le prix des cartes coûtent moins chères. (J'avais soulevé l'idée d'augmenter un peu le coût des cartes, pour que cette pratique cesse).

Il y en a d'autres comme moi qui sont en désaccord avec cette façon de faire, et qui ne se gênent pas pour le faire savoir, lorsque l'occasion se présente.

Donc beaucoup de personnes en déssacord, et Totem profite de cette division pour ne pas changer les choses.

Je déplore surtout, et vous aller le lire dans le fil de discussion, qu'il y a eu une annonce à l'époque faite par un membre de l'équipe de Totem, promettant d'obtenir ces cartes d'une autre manières, vu le constat de la frustration que cette politique des SEC provoquait. Cela devait se faire d'ici la fin de l'*****ée.

Voici ce que @Kaiju, membre l'équipe avait répondu :

"Hi All,

We understand that some of you are frustrated because of the "special events" cards and we hear you.

The truth is that Totem always had in mind to create "rare" cards (It probably has something to do with the fact that the founders are Magic players;)). Among the 7 special event cards we have released so far, 4 come from pre-orders or advent calendars and 3 were added on the occasion of a scratch ticket promotion.

We had already heard your claims with the first Special Event cards we had released. This is why we have decided to create the Joker card, to give you more chances to get the special event cards. And it worked ! 50 of you have earned this joker card and were able to get Melena's special card if they hadn't won it when scratching.

But it's obviously still frustrating when you have no luck. That's why we have decided to work on new means to obtain special event cards NOT based only on luck but as rewards for your LOYALTY.

We'll keep posted on this by the end of the year."

Cette promesse n'a JAMAIS ÉTÉ RESPECTÉE.

Happy Saturday iStrippers 😉

Having a little break from scene making for a bit, but in saying that I did throw this one together today.
Another Soapy show for the "glass" lovers out there (must admit I really like them!)

Enjoy 👍

https://drive.google.com/file/d/19W-fm6YLYvz-D_9gLiKNIorq4NTUyiH2/view?usp=sharing

The only thing you can do for the moment is mirror your computer screen or phone/tablet screen on your TV using chromecast & Chrome browser or Google home app, but it's delayed since it's just mirroring.

@arise77 vous avez tout à fait raison, dès que l'on touche au porte-monnaie de quelqu'un il devient plus raisonable. Mais je continuerai à exprimer mon mécontentement chaque fois que cela me sera possible.😠😠

@arise77 you are absolutely right, as soon as you touch someone's wallet they become more reasonable. But I will continue to express my dissatisfaction whenever possible.

@Voyeurpervers en effet d'autres ont déjà eu l'idée de "mobiliser les membres mécontents", mais on doute que cela fonctionne car on ne sait même pas quel % des membres consulte le forum. En plus on ne parle pas tous la même langue.

Mais je pense que c'est toujours utile d'exprimer votre mécontentement, car d'autres vous liront, et cela permet à Totem d'avoir du feedback.

Le meilleur moyen reste donc d'agir avec son portefeuille et de ne plus financer les jeux de hasard.

Chloe B

@gkar45 you can probably find the same ears in your price range at your local joke shop 😂

J'espérai un peu mobiliser les membres mécontent du système actuel mais j'ai l'impression que ça n'est pas le cas. une telle mobilisation aurait PEUT-ÊTRE amener Totem à reviser sa position actuelle. Bien sûr, sans cette mobilisation mon espoir est et restera vain. Dommage!!!😰😟😪

I was hoping to mobilize members who are unhappy with the current system a little, but I have the impression that this is not the case. such a mobilization would MAYBE have led Totem to revise its current position. Of course, without this mobilization my hope is and will remain in vain. Too bad !!! 😰😟😪

... if I could vote for "Nudity", "Full Nudity" or "XXX", surely my choice would be "Full Nudity" and "XXX" only.

Excuse me if I quote myself, but if I could have voted, this would have been my vote ...

Hi @coolcrew1

I was wondering if it's possible to cast iStripper on my TV via chromecast

Possible is everything, which was proven from a smart Open Source Developer,
and a Gnome Shell Extension for the Gnome 3 Desktop.

https://www.linuxuprising.com/2020/04/how-to-cast-your-gnome-shell-desktop-to.html

But i think you won't switch to Linux/Ubuntu because of that 😉
I know my Post isn't gonna Help, but i was immediately remembered on that Blogpost.

I didn't manage to find out by myself.

Are you Sure?

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&ei=1CVBX6KKJKirrgTBgoXYDQ&q=Cast+to+TV+windows+10&oq=Cast+to+TV+windows+10&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIECAAQEzIECAAQEzIICAAQFhAeEBMyCAgAEBYQHhATMggIABAWEB4QEzIICAAQFhAeEBMyCAgAEBYQHhATMggIABAWEB4QEzIICAAQFhAeEBMyCAgAEBYQHhATOgQIABBHUMUrWNQuYOQzaABwAXgAgAGaAYgBjQOSAQMwLjOYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6wAEB&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiixPyb_a7rAhWolYsKHUFBAdsQ4dUDCAs&uact=5

@gkar45
And where have you seen a vote in this thread ?

Thread closed, as @readyforanything wanted.

I just want to add my comment as a customer, like you all.
If you read the forum year after year, you can see that a great number of customers want diversity on iStripper, me too. And with this kind of shows, where the model doesn't show her full intimity, we have this kind of diversity, as we have in the skin/hair color, size of the breast, pro-dancer or not, good use of the pole or not, etc.
The diversity makes the interest I have for iStripper for years now, and I will support that thing for ever.

And with over 4600 shows now, have fun with iStripper for almost a decade 😎

Salut tout le monde !
Pour "oeuf caché" : je traduirais cela plutôt par "oeuf de Pâques" car en anglais c'est "Easter egg" et à Pâques on cache les oeufs pour jouer à les trouver 😉

@TheEmu

I do expect that a striptease should end with the performer totally unclothed (except perhaps for shoes, stockings or a hat) but I am more than happy if that is only for a few seconds at the climax of each striptease sequence (of which a card typically has several).

In fact for Irina's show I feel that that she spends far too much time fully unclothed. I think that shows of this general type would be better concentrating on the stripping and teasing (which Irina does excellently) rather than the nude dancing - and that the strong points of her performances could be enhanced by letting her wear more clothing at the start of each strip sequence giving her more scope to do what she does best.

I largely share your point of view 👍

In fact, it doesn't matter to me that the model end completely naked, since she can remain clothed while flashing the viewer. For example, It would be the case in a well executed upskirt show (something Totem constantly fail the achieve, by the way). In her show "Sexecutive", Irina has the perfect skirt to do it.

To answer the OP question, I'm open to every kind of show, as well as the model is comfortable in what she does, is beautiful, mostly natural and is a good performer. I enjoy Irina's kind of show, as well as I find enthralling performance from Carolina Abril 😍, Polly Pons 😵or Martina Smeraldi 😈. In Irina's case, you're absolutely right to say that she "would be better concentrating on the stripping and teasing [...] rather than the nude dancing".

For those who ***** that this type of show will become the norm, I believe they don't have to worry about that. Totem is well aware of what sell and what isn't. They simply had an hard time finding models during the pandemic, so they concentrated their search in France for a while. We'll come back the to former reality as soon as international travels will be allowed again. Meanwhile, I'm more than happy to get some softer shows for a while.

Hello!

I was wondering if it's possible to cast iStripper on my TV via chromecast and, if yes, how. I didn't manage to find out by myself.

Appreciate any help!

Still holding out hope to see Gulia take 2 ❤️

Me too!😫

Didn't see that one coming! Maybe we'll be able to get Cara Mell's last cards in a regular way after all.

I don't mind Nudity only shows, as long as the model feels comfortable naked.
Having nude art models once in a while is ok for me, I just hope it doesn't become a standard. It looks like there are a few more to come: Audalove, Miluniel, Savanah Wildchild...

@Voyeurpervers je crois que c'est peine perdue. Il y a eu déjà beaucoup de posts sur le sujet, mais Totem ne semble pas en tenir compte pour le moment, car le nombre de cartes spéciales a augmenté (une par mois) et les jeux à gratter et la machine à sous reviennent de plus en plus souvent.

Beaucoup de membres ont déjà proposé ce qui semble être la meilleure solution (aussi la plus radicale) : ne plus participer à tous ces jeux de hasard.

Pour ma part, j'ai été particulièrement déçu les dernières fois où j'ai participé à ces jeux. Je n'ai pas obtenu de cartes spéciales, malgré les centaines de crédits joués. Et toutes les autres cartes reçues - dont je ne voulais pas - m'ont couté 2 à 3 fois plus cher que si je les avais achetées individuellement. J'ai retenu la leçon, je n'y participe plus.

Je ne suis pas contre l'idée de cartes spéciales, mais ie moyen actuel de les obtenir me parait trompeur et malhonnête.
Une solution qui pourrait contenter tout le monde serait de permettre aux membres d'achter des cartes Joker, même seulement quelques jours par an. Ainsi, ceux qui aiment les jeux de hasard pourront continuer à y particper, et ceux qui ne les aiment pas auraient un autre moyen d'obtenir ces cartes.

... others have stated that cards that are not to their tastes should never be made and have no place in iStripper, or that they should be cheaper.

Not my thought. As I just said, I only want to express my tastes.

@BJlover - thats fair enough, but others have stated that cards that are not to their taste should never be made and have no place in iStripper, or that they should be cheaper.

Yes, it is a matter of personal taste. That is why I do not say that all cards should be in accordance to that taste or that cards that do not should be cheaper.

In fact, I was just trying to express my opinion on the subject of this post: if I could vote for "Nudity", "Full Nudity" or "XXX", surely my choice would be "Full Nudity" and "XXX" only.

I think it's a matter of personal taste.
If you are happy this way, it's good for you (but not for me).

Yes, it is a matter of personal taste. That is why I do not say that all cards should be in accordance to that taste or that cards that do not should be cheaper.

I do expect that a striptease should end with the performer totally unclothed (except perhaps for shoes, stockings or a hat) but I am more than happy if that is only for a few seconds at the climax of each striptease sequence (of which a card typically has several).

I think it's a matter of personal taste.
If you are happy this way, it's good for you (but not for me).

In fact for Irina's show I feel that that she spends far too much time fully unclothed. I think that shows of this general type would be better concentrating on the stripping and teasing (which Irina does excellently) rather than the nude dancing - and that the strong points of her performances could be enhanced by letting her wear more clothing at the start of each strip sequence giving her more scope to do what she does best.

To me, she just seems ashamed to show herself and worried about how to hide her pussy and ass to the camera ...

Au bout du compte, ce que je reproche à ces cartes c'est l'incertitude de les obtenir quelque soit les crédits dépensés. Il faudrait que au delà d'une certaine somme la carte soit acquise comme dans le coup du thermomètre. Mais Totem accepterait-il une telle solution, la question reste posée.😟😟😟

Ha, ha oui, pourquoi pas ?
Mais cela serait moins vendeur pour eux ! 😉

Totem devrait alors les rebaptiser "cartes onéreuses et incertaines", cela serait plus honête.😟😆

Oui, je comprend, les cartes spéciales peuvent couter très cher. C'est pour cela que je faisais allusion à ces 2 systèmes, bien que l'un d'entre eux n'était pas intéressant pour vous puisque votre collection est complète ou presque.

Les cartes spéciales coutent cher, c'est pour ça qu'on les appelle : "spéciales" 😆 😢

So I`m trying to take thread down. How do I do that, anyone.

@readyforanything

You can't, what you can do is ask one of the Moderators to close the thread.

@Philours Bien sûr, mais je ne parle que des cartes que l'on ne peut obtenir que par jeux de hasard et qui peuvent coûter une somme déraisonable en crédits.

Mais les cartes en question ne sont pas des cartes partielles. Ils ne sont peut-être pas à votre goût, mais ce sont des cartes complètes avec des strip-teases complets.

La, je suis d'accord 👌

Partial cards should not be sold for full price and should not be placed in pre-orders.

But the cards in question are not partial cards. They may not be to your taste but they are full cards featuring full stripteases.

Évidemment je ne parle pas des cartes avec un chemin prédéfini, qui permettait d'avoir la certitude de les acquérir. Ce qui était le cas au début.

Au début, peut-être, je n'ai pas connu.
Mais j'ai connu 2 occasions/ la dernière avec le pré-achat Aout 2020 et il y a environs 1 mois ou 2 avec le système du thermomètre qui pour moi était intéressant car on savait approximativement combien la SEC allait nous coûter.

[quote] Obviously I am not talking about cards with a predefined path, which made it possible to be sure of acquiring them. Which was the case at the beginning. [/ Quote]

At first, perhaps, I did not know.
But I had 2 occasions / the last with the pre-purchase August 2020 and about 1 month or 2 ago with the thermometer system which for me was interesting because we knew approximately how much the SEC was going to cost us.