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Stanston
Присоединился в Aug 2018
3160 Сообщения

Half my cards won't play

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27 August 2020, 34 Ответы
@sh42n81
Is is that those could be distrubtion methods if Totem ever makes and official Linux version of iStripper?
Exactly, because you can't install a .deb Package from Debian or Ubuntu in Fedora.
Or for example an Arch Package in Ubuntu or Debian or Fedora.
But a Container as an pre Build Linux Application can Run on every Linux Distribution.
Because all dependencies are included in this Container, you only need to install the Snap or Flatpak Service.
So as i mentioned Snap and Flatpak is available in Ubuntu.

Also in Arch Linux:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Snap
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Flatpak

Also in Debian
https://packages.debian.org/buster/snap
https://packages.debian.org/buster/flatpak

So i'm not that familiar with Container based Installations because i didn't use them before.
And i always ditched the Snap Service after an fresh Install of Ubuntu 18.04 and 20.04.
But the Wiki-Article on Ubuntuusers > https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/snap/
is for myself 100% understandable and it are only a couple of Commands in the Terminal to use it.
So nothing crazy :)

But don't get me wrong, it's not about pushing something, but it was hitting me yesterday like a Lightning Strike.
And yes maybe this could be an possibility for an official Linux Version for iStripper.
As for the future of containters, I think it's pretty solid. Much of the Cloud runs in containers now,
and I don't see that changing until something even more efficient is invented.
That they are solid, that is no Question of course there i'm with you, but i remember on an
Message from an German IT-News Portal Heise Online, which was this one.

https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Docker-verkauft-Enterprise-Geschaeft-und-bekommt-neuen-CEO-4585658.html

and her in an Article in your native Language :)

https://containerjournal.com/topics/container-ecosystems/restructured-docker-inc-sells-platform-business-to-mirantis/

And also about the Future of Containers, you should know Red Hat Linux Enterprise.
The only one Commercial Linux Distribution (and CentOS as the Free and Open Source Variant from it),
and they are using also the Container Technology.

https://www.redhat.com/en/topics/containers/what-is-docker

Further Red Hat is a BIG Player in the Linux World. They are contributing a lot of Code to the Linux Kernel,
and in my Opinion without them, Linux wouldn't be on this Point where it is today.

Even Microsoft loves Linux > https://cloudblogs.microsoft.com/windowsserver/2015/05/06/microsoft-loves-linux/

But i don't trust Microsoft and this Message, but it's my personal Opinion.

So yes a Container based Solution for iStripper on Linux could be indeed an opportunity 😊
TheEmu
Присоединился в Jul 2012
7424 Сообщения

Scratch Game Odds

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27 August 2020, 21 Ответы
@willyweekly

If we temporarily ignore all but the possibility of winning 10 credits - i.e. getting you money vack for a card then on average for each 100 cards bought you would expect to win 50 times - but with a standard deviation on that number being equal to its square root which is just over 7. This in turn means that you should not be at all surprised to get a result that is anything up to 2 standard deviations away (i.e. anything in the range 36 to 64, in fact about 50% of the results should be outside of this range) nor should you be too surprised by results that are 3 deviations away from the average (though at that level you can legitimately begin to wonder).

Your results are quite consistant with the true probabilty of winning being 50%. Including the other prizes would significantly complicate the calculations but not in a way to invalidate the hypothesis that the odds are 50-50. If the larger prizes are considered then the odds of winning the most common prize of just 10 credits will go down so that in the short term you will tend to lose but the rare wins of 50 and even rarer wins of 100 would compensate this.

Now I do not say that the game is definately fair in this technical sense with regard to the long term outcome, but as yet I have seen no proof that it is not. Indeed I would expect that there would be a small bias in favour of the house - like that given by any zeroes on a roulette wheel.

Note, a casino can make a profit on an absolutely fair game like this (e.g. a roulette wheel with no zeroes) because given a run of small losses a customer may stop playing whereas the casino, having deeper pockets, can typically afford to wait longer and also gets the benefit of the averaging effect of having many customers which damps out the random variations,

I am also curious if the odd are different because you can't win cards. If you can't win one of the prizes, then that must change the probability.

In at least some of the previous scratch games if your collection rules out winning free cards then this possibility has been invisibly replaced by getting your money back, which for this game would be a 10 credit prize. I do not know if that is the case for the current game.
willyweekly
Присоединился в Jul 2015
1038 Сообщения

Scratch Game Odds

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27 August 2020, 21 Ответы
@TheEmo

I did not come to this conclusion. In the end I got this SEC after buying 120 scratch cards, and had 10 credits more than I started with. For me there does not seem to have been much of a change.
OK, so based on your claim that you were getting about the same "break even" odds as in previous events, I decided to buy another 100 cards "for science" and then post my exact results from both sets of 100 cards.

First 100 cards, which I bought back on Friday (prior to my earlier post) yielded the following:
66 -- no win
30 -- 10 credits
4 -- 50 credits
0 -- 100 credits
0 -- SEC
(net loss of 500 credits)

Second set of 100 cards, purchased today:
27 -- no win
67 -- 10 credits
6 -- 50 credits
0 -- 100 credits
0 -- SEC
(net loss of 30 credits)

Combined, over the 200 cards, that makes:
93 -- no win
97 -- 10 credits
10 -- 50 credits
0 -- 100 credits
0 -- SEC

As you can see, there's a HUGE difference in the "no-win" versus "10-credit" outcomes between the two sets.

Because of the relatively large prizes of 50 and 100 credits compared to the 10 credit cost of a scratch card, with corresponding low odds of winning them, you need to try far more than 100 cards before you can make a reasonable estimate of the long term odds for these games.
While I totally agree that 100 (or even 200) cards is not a statistically significant number for determining the odds of things like the 100-credit wins, it should be a realtively decent number of trials for determining the "10-credit" and "no win" chances. And while it's true that the differences between my results on Friday and my results today could be due to just very odd luck, I personally think (especially given Totem's track record for screwed-up coding) that it's probably more likely that something was very broken with the game before, and they fixed it sometime between Friday and today. When did you buy your 120 cards?

My hunch (just a guess) was that for people like me with all the cards that couldn't get normal card wins, perhaps the game was previously giving them a "no win" in place of a normal-card win, and is now giving them a "10-credit" win in place of the normal-card win. Indeed, my results today look much, much closer to what I've seen in past scratch-off events.

[Edit: Just for reference... In both cases (both days), I purchased all the scratch cards in 20-card batches, though I wouldn't suspect that it makes any difference.]

I am also curious if the odd are different because you can't win cards. If you can't win one of the prizes, then that must change the probability.


arise77
Присоединился в Mar 2008
431 Сообщения

Cartes spéciales

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26 August 2020, 135 Ответы
@Dfner

But my point actually was that there was one way to get SEC without any gambling element involved. And that was purchasing that Premium membership when it was introduced (like I did). That way you got your Joker card, and therefore, effectively, an SEC of your choice without any gambling.

You're right, there was also a Joker card given when you filled the thermometer during last year's Black Friday promotion. This did involve gambling, but still everyone had a clear way of getting it.
This is actually not a bad idea btw: allowing everyone to win a Joker card after spending a certain amount.


@TheEmu

What was the second route of getting the 1st SECs if it wasn't gambling?
The second route was gambling. It was a way of gettiing the SECs. Without this second route there was absolutely NO way of getting a SEC if you had missed (or deliberately ignored) the original event. It was a solution that did provide the requested second way of getting the cards - that some people did not like that way of getting them does not mean that it was not a solution - albeit not a universaly acceptable one but no one ever claimed that it was.

Sorry I misunderstood your post at first, I thought you said there was a second route, then came the gambling. I get your point.
Just saying again, I'm fine with SECs part of a package: you buy the package, you get the SEC. That's the main difference for me with SECs you get only through gambling, even the 1st SECs (which haven't been offered in any other way than gambling since). You take part in the promotion, well... the chances are higher you don't get the SEC. Therefore, if most of the time you can't get what you're playing for, that's not a solution.

You can put it in a simple way: if there is another way, there will probably be less people taking part in the scratch game. If people choose not to gamble, that might just be because it's not worth the time, credits and all unwanted cards.
Exactly correct, and that is pretty well the point I have been trying to make all along. Changing things is likely to cost Totem money unless they are careful, Changing things in the simple ways that have been suggested would almost certainly cost them money - would you willingly reduce your profits ?

How can you be sure this will reduce Totem's profits?
You seem to be concerned with Totem's profits from the scratch game but you said many times yourself you get the SECs for free and even earn credits.
Many members don't gamble, if Totem gets them to buy a package with the SEC they want, that's another way of generating profit.
Plus, as I said, gambling can stay, members who want it could still gamble.

I took part in the scratch game several times this year, I gave it a go, thinking "ok, maybe we can get an SEC this way" the only SEC I got was Anastasiia which was "given" automatically after 30 or so scratch cards. Well, I came to the conclusion this method simply doesn't work, I ended up with about 100 cards I didn't want for twice or 3 times the price. That made me think, why pay for something I don't want? Since then, I realised what I ***** in these games made me want to spend less here. How is that for profit?
I haven't spent as much as members with a full collection, but most members have a partial collection. And if these members realise chasing SECs through gambling is pointless, the scratch game will become less and less profitable.

We can only speculate on the intentions, but the odds show that this game is designed to make most members pour in a lot of credits, not for most members to win an SEC.
Yes we can speculate on the intentions, but whatever the intensions were the gambling games did provide a second way to get the SECs, no matter how unpopular that way turned out to be it was still a way to get the cards.

Gambling is indeed a 2nd way of getting the package SECs, and has been the only way up to now to get the majority of SECs.
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