If I understand this whole affair correctly, there won't be any more clips where the girl does a little bit "more", right?

As I bought and downloaded the clip just *because* Natali Blond goes a bit further than the others, Totem is effectively telling me that they don't want my money. And so do they tell all the other customers that demanded a bit *more* explicit shows.

The statement by TotemRex that she went too far (in Totems POV) effectively means, that I won't get any more shows that are worth my hard-earned money.
This is even underlined by zombie cards, i.e. girls that must have been at Axis Chemicals together with Jack Napier/The Joker. Their make-up is so unnatural that I doubt even a sand-blasting could help anymore.

The combination of many girls looking like they have been taken right away from "Dawn of the dead" plus a strict "no toys" rule makes PuritanGirlHD the wrong product for me. What if the next girl pulls a pearl necklace through her pussy lips?

Would a pearl necklace being pulled through the pussy lips be ***** of a toy already? Why can it be seen in real strip shows then?

I joined on 8th of December and got 176 girls in my collection. Do the math.

If I cancel my membership now, will it end immedeately or at the end of the subscription period?

Your subscription will still come to an end on the usual day, which would be the day before it renews. It will automatically renew it you do not cancel the subscription. If you began it on December 8th, then it will end on the 7th of some month in the future.

'The Joker'? 'Dawn of the Dead'? I have not seen any girls that even come close to looking anything like that.

I guess you and I have very different opinions on the matter of beauty.

Well, then have a look at this picture ...
Where are the eyes?

And here our next card of the day?

I have to admit ... Dawn of the dead doesn't come nowhere close to the unnatural look of some girls here, but hey, that movie is pretty old.

I totaly agree with you spacerat75 some of the girls do look like they have just come from the dead or a michael jackson thriller movie.The lights are on but nobody home or the face they pulled when the make-up bomb went off in their face.

This card for example really scared me ...
I instantly disabled it.

This one scared the bejesus out of me when i saw it.

Nice tits, but she should consult a dermatologist with that discoloration around the eyes, could be a rare kind of skin cancer.

This one comes close to dawn of the dead film.

I have been so busy lately, I haven't been following all this consternation. I just stumbled on it this morning. Wow. I'm really sorry to see it. Let me humbly say this. I live in a land where we have something called the 1st Amendment, which protects all speech except imminent threats. A lot of "free" speech out there is offensive to many people. The answer Americans have always given is, if you don't like looking at it or hearing it, then don't. So potentially "offensive" speech continues. But out of respect for those who are offended, we've developed things like rating systems and warnings, to make sure those who might be offended are alerted and able to avoid exposure to the things they don't like to see and hear. Since there is no way to satisfy everyone, this is the logical solution here. If one is offended, he or she should be in a position to protect him or herself without intruding on the right of others to see what they might enjoy.

We let that makeup artist go a long long time ago because we were not happy with all the black around the eyes either. If you look at all the recent girls, you'll see it has been gone for a while.

As for where we draw the line exactly, we're still talking about it internaly.

Whew, that's a big relief. The girls as of late in that respect look so much more natural and am glad that it was realized and that this issue was resolved. Another card that used to drive me crazy was Kathy Moore's Body Guard one.

Cheers to the team for their efforts to improve matters such as this.

Indeed, that's a relief.

But I'm pretty sure there are girls out there that look nice without make-up at all, natural beauty so to say.
At least NO eye-shadow and only a decent coloured lipstick should be possible.

As about the line to be drawn: Keep in mind that customers aren't from the USA only.
My opinion is: Anything goes that works without a male partner (Which would make it hardcore porn).
If it can be seen in Amsterdam's or Hamburg's strip shows, it should also work here (Well, there are even live sex shows, but that would really make drawing a line nearly impossible... gang bang? facial? ... ;) ).

As long as real strip shows offer more than VirtuaGirlHD, advertising it as "as you could see in a real striptease show" is misleading.
We can even let the "expliciteness" aside: Is there a show of a girl dancing with a real snake? Not that I would like snakes, as a rabbit-owner I even ***** them, I'm just comparing.

Thanks for the update TotemRex. I, like may other, are awaiting the outcome.

That makeup was bad. It's a shame the girls that have that in there shows. It really takes away from there natural beauty.

Yeah Rex..That's what we're talkin' "Internally" (3"? 5"?)Oh..got carried away.
I've watched the Natali card now and find nothing of bother in it! Just a sexy, gracious, somewhat glorious, minx of a girl indulging in sensual erotic dance & movement! I saw a lady in the bloom of her youth being natural with her sexuality in a fun and inviting way. Her erotic use of the bottle seems natural and is more of a celebration of self-sexuality then any seamy smuttiness. It is non the less erotic for this & flows quite well with the "DO it baby" school of Wankeroo Cajoling & Begging, that often accompanies the self-stimulating act of the Wanking observer.
Natali is the queen of the full open in yo face pussy & ***** spread & cunny plunge!
She does it like no otha from a motha!
Love it when da chile gimme her all 'n' smile as she plunge her li'l pinky pookie & spread her pucka!
She be clean, lean, & jugged, an' I like her a lots!
See,I tol' ya!
Totem's got a lock on dis classy ass stuff!

I definitely agree that if the girls want to do hardcore things on their own with the tools they have, even if it is just their own fingers or a spray bottle, it shouldn't be considered an "accident" or "glitch" and be removed or not added into the final card. Due to recent events, I'm extremely confident that if everyone on this site voted than at least toys would be allowed and encouraged.

However, since it seems that the "old school" members (people that have been around since the original Virtuagirl) and even Totem management itself would prefer that this remain a completely softcore site. Plus, there are other factors too like certain girls not wanting to be affiliated with a hardcore site and so on.

"old school" members . . .

In VG we old school members were actually treated to the occassional toy, and I ain't talkin the videos. I mean the actual show. Raquel and Chloe back then used toys and the girl named Raquel went "full board" with the toy as I recall. It was very rare but it did commence.

I was so surprised by the show's Natali Blond with the bottle but it was not unpleasant ;-)
Since I know VirtuaGirl, shows have always been sexy without being too vulgar and I would like this continues, I don't want to see, a show boy / girl very explicit.
Some like the soft, others like the hard and I think it's difficult to satisfied everybody.
It will be difficult for Totem adopted a correct line in the future.
Wait & see...

All things are Kept in good taste,Well balanced with these shows.As it should be.This was Over reacted to. I personally thought the scene was no more explicit than the finger play from the same card."Loved it"
it will be interesting to see what will come from it. lot's of input
For the team. Good luck, Keep e'm tasty.

FX000

It truly must just be a matter of taste. I think Pimento is Maggie's best show. The same goes for Karina in Miss Mystery it may look slightly bizzare but it just reminds me of the 80's I dig it. As for Dorothy in Chic Chick that is a good card she really doesn't have too many bad ones with the exception of Summer Camp.

Old school Virtuagirl had toy use and play and it didn't keep quality girls from performing. Why would it? Why would a stripper care that another stripper fingered or used a toy? We are talking strippers and porn stars here. The site already has many many porn stars. Adult ntertainment women don't care what others do as long as they are not obligated to do it. Their choice how naughty and erotic they get.

It is no like all the performers are watching all the clips of other girls and rushing to the forum to read comments. Not like prospects are watching clips or reading the forum. They see virtuagirl is "strippers dancing on your desktop". Well..strippers perfrom, finger, use objects, etc. No biggie. The site doesn't have sex so itsn't hardcore. Women dancing, getting naked, playing and performing to entertain. It is what it is.

Ever see L-word or californication on showtime ? They are harder than virtuagirl.

I think a lot of the comments about what the models are willing to do are quite funny considering just how MANY of these models do hardcore porn. Look up Lucky, Zafira, Belicia, Nikita Valentin, etc, etc. and you will see that the only limiting factor for these shows are the rules that Totem puts in place. If Totem says "Dance and act sexy" you get what we see most of the time. If Totem were to say "Do whatever you feel like doing" we'd probably see a lot more fingering and probably some toys. I do agree that Totem has to draw the line somewhere...but I don't think we've even come close to what should be allowed. I really miss the content from VirtuaGirl and VirtuaGirl2, there was more hardcore back then.

Absolutely Vac! I would like to see a series of "Babes that HAVE done hard core/solo masturbation but NOT been explicit on VGHD comin' back for full on fingering shows" Going at least as far as Natali has perhaps.This seems natural, fun, and tastefully sexy to me. (Think of the sales!) People queing up for Zafira, Jana, Ashley, Zuzana,Felina, Sandra H. among how many more? Could be a "GOLD series-one hot card each!
Oh...it's early morning here...This must be a dream! (sigh)
I don't think the "we won't get girls who just want to dance" argument holds too much water...cause we'll get babes like Natali,Morgane,Ariel, Chems, Mai, Mia, etc. Not a bad trade off! Nature abhors a vacuum!
Honestly, so far among our most explicit babes I only see joyful, sexy, expressive beauties, enjoying being sexy in the Totem classy way! No problem! That's why I came here! (and cum here)
I'd like to see it all, from dancing to pole to tease & some sexy explicit "please" ALL IN THE SAME GIRL! Duuuh??

I totally agree with Plasonic.

And...I'm really glad to hear that that make-up artist is gone! Three cheers for the more natural look!

That Wasn't SexyMakeUp that went, was it ???
I Liked Her !!!

@DIDGEDRUM:
i'm still here and i try to do my best so that the Virtuagirl's look is the sexiest it can be!

@SexyMakeUp: Glad to Hear it !! I'm Looking Forward to Your Body Painting When that Bright Day Evolves !!!
Try Sneaking it in !!! lol.