@chicsans - if I am not connected to the internet then iStripper does not ***** a connection. It will use a connection if one is available but it will not establish one where none already exists. Does yours behave differently?

@TheEmu

No, it doesn't cover all cases. To me that implies that IF my computer is connected to the internet, then that connection can be used as stated.
If I am not connected to the internet, having an application ***** a network connection is a breach of my privacy.
I find that when starting any other program on my computer while it is off-line a notice that I am not connected will appear. Heck, even Windows has the decency to wait until I connect before trying to do an update. Web browsers don't ***** a connection, nor does my anti-virus.

@Chicsans - the nearest I can find is

Each time you launch the Software to play the Product, you hereby give your consent to Totem Entertainment to remotely install any Updates to the Software that resides on your computer, with or without additional notification to you.

which doesn't cover all cases but does imply that they can do it in order to determine if the particular case of remotely installing updates needs to be invoked.

@Chicsans

please ask this in a different thread.
thank you...

Since this thread has mentioned the Terms and Conditions and what is explicitly or understandably allowed, could someone please point out in those written term of the EULA where I have given the software, and therefore Totem Entertainment the right to cause my computer to access the internet through any available network connection when I start the program while off-line.

Thank you @Cardo you have just rationalized Totem's stance on the issue without them saying anything.

That post wasn't really meant for other members, this happens a lot on here. lol

I have the same idea: the result is that I buy more XXX-cards than I really want.And there is the crux. The new XXX cards are a compromise between regular cards and the old deskbabes style of XXX. If the ratio of XXX cards is growing, then that sounds like the compromise is finding success.Personally, I prefer the XXX cards since they give the best variety within a single card: striptease, poledance and a bit of masturbation? Yes please!
Exactly. The true XXX(deskbabes) of yesteryear only had sitting clips and I ***** that. Really loving theses hybrid cards.

Yeah, I'd only like a bit more non nudity clips but that's it

Thanks for the questions and answers. Would have expected this on the news tab for explanation.

@Ironman79 What I meant to say is that I know it's frustrating but as long as we are not ***** to play these games to get the card, there's no reason to *****. Those who like games can play and the others will have access to the card only a week after that. Would you prefer this card to become a Special Event Card, again ??

@Cardo i said in my full post why i'm ***** lol

You didn't read eveything lol

@njarnb Hi, it will be corrected asap. Thank you for reporting

You're welcome :)

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Terminology in computing

Unfortunately many of our terms continue to evolve often driven by misunderstandings made by people who don't work in the field.

Data Scientist seems to mean "a magician who can make money out of data on one understands."

Reverse Engineering used to mean creating a design document that can be used to manufacture an existing product. Now it has a broader definition and I'm not sure what the limits are.

When I first heard the term hacker it meant a craftsman who used crude tools to create fine products. e.g. a cabinet maker who used an axe. (One of my uncles was a cabinet maker and he was familiar with this meaning.) Later the term meant a skilled programmer who created highly efficient code no one else could understand. A great hack was some code one one thought could be written in the available space. I seem to recall that some parts of the first Mac OS were described that way.

Well, to quibble if you are data mining a collection of HTML files you probably need to do some reverse engineering of the format before you actually dig for data.

No quibble at all - you may need to do some reverse engineering before you do the data mining, but they are two distinct operations, The first is directed to undestanding the file format, the second is directed to extracting data from the collection of files (e.g. by looking for clusters of data or correllations between features) rather than just interpreting a single file.

In the case of iStripper reverse enginerring the animation files by using a hex editor and looking for patterns in the data would not be acceptable (though it would be very hard to do). This is in principle no different to using a hex editor to look at a an understand a simpler file. There is of course a big difference in practice but the rules are written to cover the general case and in practice that reverse engineering simple file is usually tolerated even though it may ***** a strict interpretation of the licence (partly because it is simply not worth persuing any such *****)

So what do we do if we don't want auto-updates? When I'm logging in or running somethinmg else and for privacy reasons, I don't want this to happen.

Be sure that your computer is not connected to the internet when starting iStripper. Also there can be no 'network connections' available in your list of connections as iStripper will open a connection through any accessible network within range.

I know you said next Friday would be the release for everyone but i gotta ask...

Why? I've been waiting for this card all week

@Ironman79 - Why are you *****? At least this time the card won't be stuck behind a pay wall. The card will be available after gambling gamers had their chance to get it at a lower cost.

@elfine

The fact you are looking into a file to search some information or just to know to what this correspond is usually called Data mining,

Data mining may include reverse engineering the format of a data file, but reverse engineering is a distinct activity that may be performed for other purposes as well.

@Wyldanimal

I agree with you, but arguing by analogy doesn't always work.

Can you open and Read a BOOK?
is that reverse engineering or hacking the Book?

If you analyze an author's style for the purpose of writing a new story featuring characters created by that author, that is probably the equivalent to hacking and may be a ***** of copyright law.

@TheEmu

Data mining is a different activity altogether and is applied to the process of getting nuggets of information from huge data repositories.

Well, to quibble if you are data mining a collection of HTML files you probably need to do some reverse engineering of the format before you actually dig for data.

I'm not a lawyer and I'm well aware that lawyer write things to protect their clients interests as broadly as possible. In the License Totem says "the Software or the Product". Both terms are more than a little ambiguous and the use of both implies that they are not the same. Perhaps "the Product" includes all the data files. Perhaps not. In the US reverse engineering a file format seems to be an acceptable practice. Certainly may large companies do it publicly all the time. I agree that working out file formats is a form of reverse engineering, but this may not be something that could be enforced in the US under the terms of the License agreement.

A fine line would be, if you Decompiled the Executable Binary file to determine how the data was read from the Models.lst file.

I agree and I don't know on which side of that line a judge would rule.

if I remember correctly companies like Microsoft and Oracle have argued very strongly that the internal formats of various files and message protocols used by their products are covered by the prohibitions on reverse engineering. When they have lost such arguments it was because of a special provison in the law that allows, in some circumstances, reverse engineering for the purposes of interfacing with other products.

Since there is very little law on the subject explicitly, a lot of the rulings have to do with industry expectations and whether a license has overreaching terms.

I have some friends who have acted as expert witnesses is reverse engineering cases. These were all about reverse engineering of source code. The winning argument often included either the presence of dead code in the defendant's product or a sub-optimal or erroneous sequence of commands

Because that was the offer last goose game long ago...😉

Why text in the description say "Div.Ass" Li Moon ?

@elfine - we only disagree on the meaning of particular words and phrases. However the term "reverse engineering" does not only apply to executables it applies equally to any file. I have spent most of my working life (something like 45 years) on projects that required at least some, often a great deal, of effort spent in reverse engineering executable software images, data file formats and message formats.

Not sure why you'd use that smiley@Krell dont be mean, @celine is just showing she is happy to help answering your question. She has no control over the game.

I wasn't aware that I *was* being mean, since I also included helpful information in that post for @celine :/

In the game are only old and no interesting girls for me. So the game ends before it really starts for me

Not sure why you'd use that smiley

@Krell dont be mean, @celine is just showing she is happy to help answering your question. She has no control over the game.

Its a good game but with bad offers!
With so much advance in computer resolution, you are still trying to dump those old low resolution shows on our face. If you really want us to buy shows of those girls, please make new high quality shows with them and you can see us spending.

I know you said next Friday would be the release for everyone but i gotta ask...

Why? I've been waiting for this card all week

Is it absolutely necessary for the company to have so many games, this is just really frustrating to me.

What happens if you're 2 squares away from Avery's card, and you roll a six?
you advance of 2 and you go back 4 :)

Not sure why you'd use that smiley while telling me that you're just going to keep chiselling away at my tokens until you decide to give me the exact number that I need...

Also, you might want to change the text you get when you click on the help icon - we're not playing for the Li Moon card, are we?

What happens if you're 2 squares away from Avery's card, and you roll a six?

you advance of 2 and you go back 4 :)

As I can tell the auto updates happen in the background without your intervention or need to do anything. Pretty sure this more of having everyone on the same verison compared to different users on different versions and one user asking/reporting a bug or issue when it was fixed 3 verisons after the one they have.

I believe it goes back to the 2 spots til you roll a 2. I had the same thing happen but I don't recall what it did.

What happens if you're 2 squares away from Avery's card, and you roll a six?

@TheEmu

@elfine - no it is not called data mining. Data mining is a different activity altogether and is applied to the process of getting nuggets of information from huge data repositories.

This is true by definition and in an industrial environement. What exactly people call data mining most a the case is the fact to get informations on some sort of data file and it's maintly used for games to make wiki and other 3rd party programs for those games. Sometimes games's compagnies give some little info sometimes they don't at all. So like I said it's tolerated. Decompiling or reverse enginering apply only to executable code. There is NO NEED to decompile a file based of text or pure binary data.

You can take the definition of data mining exactly in the same way to you use the word Haker, people commonly use that word to design a personne who generally do something illegal, it is to totally false. The real definition of the term Haker is someone who is a true expert in his domain, this can be informatic or anything else. The firsts personne called Haker was a MIT studient.

I could go further since you are talking about Microsoft, historically Windows was a bad copy from the Apple Os and Atari Gemdos (but Atari had the rights from Apple to make their own Os similar for the Atari ST). The first DOS version from Microsoft made with IBM was litterally copied from the Amiga DOS. Do you think they didn't used any decompiling method ? In same way Microsoft and many others used free opensource code to make their own formats, this could be considered as a *****.

The only fact is I can't manage my collection without using my own program because of a lack of function in the iStripper app, to do so I need to use some of the iStripper files and to know how to deal with them.
I'm not sharing or selling anything.
I do not blame Totem either because their application can not meet my expectations, but if I can help them improve it, I'll do it.

Sorry, it's a bit of a subject, but I wanted to explain it with these comparisons. Anyway I'm going to stop to argue on it... it's sterile, we'll never see things the same way.

So what do we do if we don't want auto-updates? When I'm logging in or running somethinmg else and for privacy reasons, I don't want this to happen.

Hi All,
From Monday, you will benefit from a new fully automated update system so that you don't need to update manually anymore!
The first version that benefits from this auto-update is version 1.2.234.

We're here to answer your questions :)

Thank God It's Friday and we all need a little lightness and freshness in this autumnal period - Hopefully, Avery is here to help us!

New releases

But let me remind you first the sexy shows we have added to iStripper this week :-P
Don't miss Andreina & Veronica, our two Columbian sunshines, Bad Barbie and her dominating mood, and welcome our new little jewel Kristi, full of promises !




Goose game

Today, we release an amazing new version of our Sexy Goose Game, with super hot show of Avery to win.
The show is winable in the Goose Game for the whole coming week, then it will be released for sale on next Friday.

How the goose game works
There are 26 boxes on the board:
19 with discounted cards (from 20% to 45% off)
2 "roll the dice again for free"
2 mystery boxes
1 "go 2 steps forward"
1 "death" (Back to square one)
The kawai card of Avery

Rolling the dice costs 2 credits.

Like in the real goose game, you have to make the exact number to stop on the final box and finish the game. Otherwise, you go back.

Once you have won the card of Avery, you can play again, the free card will be replaced by a card from your wishlist.

The goose game will remain online till Friday, November 1st, 9.00 am Paris time.

Enjoy!😍


Note : From now, among the shows proposed in our promos, the shows from the iStripper Classic collection (quality Medium) proposed will be in priority the ones with a rating above 4/5.

I think Premium is not fair!!

Fair would be:

20% additional discount on all card purchases (with NO time limit of 10 days)
The same with VR!!

But my main question is:
Why do I have to buy Premium to unlock 4K? I already payed 25 Credits for each card....

So, I won't buy Premium, although I won't have 4K!! $59 per year is WAY to expensive.

@Wyldanimal - if I remember correctly companies like Microsoft and Oracle have argued very strongly that the internal formats of various files and message protocols used by their products are covered by the prohibitions on reverse engineering. When they have lost such arguments it was because of a special provison in the law that allows, in some circumstances, reverse engineering for the purposes of interfacing with other products.

I've been on the prosecution side of a reverse engineering case.
Don't know outside the US, but
In that case, It was defined as Decompiling of executable code.
Data files were pretty much excluded from that definition.
the Models.lst file is not executable code.
But one could argue that the Animation files are, as they get Played / Executed as video.

A fine line would be, if you Decompiled the Executable Binary file to determine how the data was read from the Models.lst file.

I personally did not do that,
back in 2008
I wrote a hex viewer and determined the Structure, just by observing the grouping of the bytes.

@Birger52

"Reverse engineering is taking apart an object to see how it works in order to duplicate or enhance the object."

Not what I'm doing.

That is indeed what you are doing, or rather what you or someone else did when you decoded the format of the file. The object in this case being a data file.

@elfine - no it is not called data mining. Data mining is a different activity altogether and is applied to the process of getting nuggets of information from huge data repositories.

@Wyldanimal

@Birger52 asking for information for his own personal use
does not ***** the terms of the T&C.

Asking for the information violates nothing, but decoding the file for yourself does ***** the terms and conditions which say that you may not do this under any circumstances. This includes personal use.

In both my previous posts on this I have said that strictly speaking this is a ***** of the terms and conditions - and I have also pointed out that Totem, like many other sofware companies, do not seem to mind,

With regard to reading a book, no that does not ***** any terms and conditions because one were imposed (over and above copyright) when you obtained the book.

With regard to user created scenes then again,

strictly speaking

, we were originally violating the terms and conditions when we tried to undersatnd how the .scn files worked but later Totem provided most of the infrmation themselves so it ceased to be a *****.

In practice Totem only care when we create and want to share "add on" products, though they would also care very much if someone did the equivalent of looking at and understanding the .cds files but with the .vghd files themselves and created a private program to play them.

Of course Totem take a sensible view of all this so small infractions are ignored and in practice there is no problem in rverse engineering the ***** files used by the app, but it helps to be aware of what we are doing rather than just pretend we are not doing it.

it is good! thank you all! I will try it.

It's like getting 30 cards for free.

Then why the heck don't they just make it as simple as that?

30 cards free is about 1 free card for every 12 cards. This is why I think it would be better to have a promotion like a "Baker's Dozen": One free card for every 12 cards you buy.

Or better yet, have one "Special Edition" card every month that is unlocked on the 15th of the month. If you buy 12 or more cards from that month, you get the "Special Edition" card added to your collection for free. The "Special Edition" card stays available until the 14th of the following month, after which it's only available for purchase as a premium card - or even with a Joker.

That would feel much better than this PREMIUM membership stuff, for sure. Most members would be OK with that, I think - and it would prevent all the complaints about the "Special Event" cards that can't be accessed.

Mind you, you could still have other promotions to WIN the card if you wish - that way, there would be multiple ways to get the "Special Edition" cards in the collection (12 per year).

Triple Diamond Member who purchase every card
365 * 25 * .55 = 5018.75 credits to by every card with 45% discount.

with Premium Membership and additional 20%
365 * 25 * .55 *.8 = 4015 credits

savings of 1,003.25 credits in the Year.

if credits are purchased at 500 for $50 then each credit is $0.10

1,003.25 * 0.10 = $100.33

Subtract the cost of the Premium Membership
$100.33 - $60.00 = $40.33 saved for the year.

That doesn't include the 20% saving if you buy the VR video's
Or the Bonus of 4K clips
or ( till tomorrow the 25th ) the Joker Card.

(4015 credits + 600 credits ) / 13.75 = 335 cards

if you Buy 335 cards without the premuim Membership,
then you are loosing money by not having bought the Premium membership.

335 cards at 13.75 = Membership + 365 cards at 11 credits
It's like getting 30 cards for free.

Oh yeah and a couple of egg rolls too. 😎 (extract from the excellent https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frMz9s3OLwY )

@1VGconvert you can cancel the subscription 5 minutes after having subscribed. The benefit will last for one year and it will not be recurring.

In one year you will be able to choose to renew or not.

Just make sure to select a payment processor having a good online subscription management portal and that's two clicks away.

Most of the members who have their own 3rd party App have already asked for Permission from Totem to do so.
None of these 3rd party Apps, have direct control of any of the Native software.
It is all done, via Pushing a value to the registry. nothing is hacked.

Can you open and Read a BOOK?
is that reverse engineering or hacking the Book?

if a file in digital format can be open and read, that is not hacking or reverse engineering it.
Altering it's content, or creating New content based on it is...

As long as your app is not altering the models.lst file
then reading the content of that file without altering it any way
does not constitute a hack.

Totem has provided 3 features without documentation for authorized 3rd party app developer to use.
models.lst
names.xml
and a registry value
Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Totem\vghd\parameters\ForceAnim



Nothing is altered or hacked, but members did have to figure out how to use them.
None of the 3rd party Apps make changes to Totems software.

Totem has also provide for Scene Creators
Does reading one of the official Scenes and using code from that Scene to create your own scene, constitute Reverse engineering or Hacking?

Totem has also provide for Custom card images, custom Full size images
By storing your custom images in the data folder. is that Altering the Product?

Totem has also Provide for Skin creators
Duplicate an Existing Skin folder
Rename it
Create your own graphics
Create your own Palette.txt

None of that is Hacking or violates the T&C

So while Yes, what you point out is written in the T&C, it is also written in the T&C

unless expressly authorized by Totem Entertainment;

I believe all of the 3rd party app developer have requested, and received authorization.

A member doing so for their own behalf, Not sharing it with anyone else...
probably doesn't need pre-Authorization.
They are not Altering , Distributing or sharing anything.

@Birger52 asking for information for his own personal use
does not ***** the terms of the T&C.

If at some point in time @Birger52 wishes to Share his work, then he Must Ask for and receive Authorization to do so.

I don't think it offers enough value for the price, currently. The best way to fix that would be to throw in ~400 credits per year for that price, in addition to the discount.

I have the same idea: the result is that I buy more XXX-cards than I really want.And there is the crux. The new XXX cards are a compromise between regular cards and the old deskbabes style of XXX. If the ratio of XXX cards is growing, then that sounds like the compromise is finding success.Personally, I prefer the XXX cards since they give the best variety within a single card: striptease, poledance and a bit of masturbation? Yes please!

Exactly. The true XXX(deskbabes) of yesteryear only had sitting clips and I ***** that. Really loving theses hybrid cards.

@TheEmu
The fact you are looking into a file to search some information or just to know to what this correspond is usually called Data mining, and this is normally tolerated by any industrial companies. This is not the same as reverse enginering.

Even if a program is under a license (and generally you pay the rights to use it), if you install it on your own computer you have the rights to look how it works or what it does, simply because this is a question of security. My computer is my proprity like my house (that might not be the rights in all country but in mine it's the case).

By the same token I have a right to look at everything on it. I agree this doesn't give me the rights to decompile/reverse enginering any software but infact you can't be puirsuited even if you do do it.

The reason is simple how would you be able to check if a program isn't a virus or a malicous program of any kind, if you can't see or understand what it does? What do you think antivirus software are doing ?
A simple answer is : data mining, reverse enginering and such things and this is legit.

If you do not do it for a purpose or to cause ***** to a person or a company, there is nothing they can do.

Copy, reproduce, translate, reverse engineer, decompile, derive source code from, or disassemble, in whole or in part, the Software or the Product, or create derivative works based on the Product

Yes figuring out the format of a file like models.lst is a form of reverse engineering, but what is the scope of the phrase "the Product."

I'm not a fan of XXX cards and don't buy them. There are enough crude displays of female anatomy on the pornographic internet that we don't need it here. IStripper is a very rare institution where really beautiful models can be seen stripping and dancing for its own sake. I would like to think a girl was dancing to entertain me rather than just sitting down to pleasure herself.
I don't think I'm old fashioned. Its just a question of taste, class, and style. And I do prefer those few clips that start out standing full naked. Then again, that's just me.

👍 That's why I'm here

"Reverse engineering is taking apart an object to see how it works in order to duplicate or enhance the object."

Completely agree with that. It's only what we do with it that might become an infraction. Otherwise learning by studying how something works might also be an infraction.

I'm not a fan of XXX cards and don't buy them. There are enough crude displays of female anatomy on the pornographic internet that we don't need it here. IStripper is a very rare institution where really beautiful models can be seen stripping and dancing for its own sake. I would like to think a girl was dancing to entertain me rather than just sitting down to pleasure herself.
I don't think I'm old fashioned. Its just a question of taste, class, and style. And I do prefer those few clips that start out standing full naked. Then again, that's just me.