I'll tell you what does NOT work. It's the "no nudity" switch. It does NOTHING!

I'll tell you what does NOT work. It's the "no nudity" switch. It does NOTHING!

I'll tell you what does NOT work. It's the "no nudity" switch. It does NOTHING!

Why even change ?
Honestly this feels a LOT like a nerfing down of the format. I really don't see how this could ever be supposed to make these cards better. As of late there have been very few XXX cards and now you make them even less different from the other cards ? At this rate why don't you just stop making XXX cards and just randomly produce a card with one or two XXX clips in it ? Won't make much of a difference honestly :(
That's sad. XXX cards were the main reason I came here so if you go on like this I'll probably just stop buying cards altogether.

@Katzpaw asked

Am I the only one who seems to like a 3-4 clip scene structure running about 10-12 minutes?

I prefer having mostly 3 to 4 minute clips, and would like having even longer clips, to the alternative of a larger number of much shorter clips. However, I see why those who want to skip straight to the "action" would dislike longer clips and I would not be in favour of very long clips that started at the XXX level.

In those cases where two or more clips are just adjacent parts of an original longer performance it would be nice if there was the option to play them without any breaks, i.e. as if they were a single longer clip. This would satisfy those of us that prefer seeing all stages of long full performances and those that only want to see certain stages of them. But I have no idea how practical it would be.

Te tripple x stuff has no great appeal to me. I realize that there are different strokes fr different folks. I have always like the strip in strip tease. The tease is just as important. Any bimbo can strip off her clothes and masterbate bretending to enjoy it. No art in that. But a dancer heo know out to move her body, to tease with timing and aluring looks, is much better. Leaving things to the imagination of the view is ofter much better. The imagination is personal and limitless.

I am a long time subscriber. Virutagirl was so beautiful a product because it was not just more porn. There is plenty of porn out there. Free porn and porn you can purchase. Your product has alway been far more original and unique.

The performers who have stage presence, dancing talent, and beauty hold the most appeal for me. I like professional talented striptease artists rather that porn bimbos.

In those cases where two or more clips are just adjacent parts of an original longer performance it would be nice if there was the option to play them without any breaks, i.e. as if they were a single longer clip. This would satisfy those of us that prefer seeing all stages of long full performances and those that only want to see certain stages of them. But I have no idea how practical it would be.

I agree completely, @TheEmu! I'm thinking of one DeskBabes card in particular (Linet A & Sasha Jones Duo #532) where "Scene 4" is split into 3 pieces. Unfortunately, the clip breaks are not in places where there is a break in the action.

Normal cards and XXX cards should clearly be different, they are labeled as different products. You buy a normal card you expect the stripping and dancing, you buy an xxx card you expect xxx things happening, whether it's standing, pole usage or taskbar clips. They have been 100% XXX focused with some stripping foreplay, the outcry was for diversity in the cards, not watering down the XXX.

Here is an example of what I have in mind: I set show duration to all clips. I activate iStripper XXX only. I click a new checkbox below progressive hotness called "controlled hotness". An iStripper XXX card starts playing but only the first two hotness levels. It continues playing clips for the same card from those two levels until I right-click and select the new "hotter" control. Now it plays only clips that are topless or nudity. Each time I select hotter it moves up a level until all I'm seeing are XXX clips. The card doesn't change until I right-clip and select next model or next outfit at which time the hotness resets to tease.

I can think of lots of ways to embellish the above capability. You might offer 3 or 4 levels of controlled hotness where the user can defined which hotness level(s) each level of controlled hotness includes. You might allow the user to preset that the hotness level steps up after a certain number of clips have been played at a particular level. You might allow the users to select staging as well as hotness level. For example, I might want to start every new card with a window washing clip if one was available. Or, perhaps I want a mix of standing and pole clips at the first level and on bar teasing clips at the next with XXX only at the highest.

I see I have drifted off topic so I'll stop now.

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This would be ideal, allow to save the progressive playment of one or more groups of progressive hotness which should be sticky settings (so remembering these settings and playment location when switching to another model then back to the current, with a reset to default option. Allow suppression of certain models in the context menu so as to ignore and remove from the playlist entirely, so not just a skip but skip and inactivate so it wont play again).

It has been suggested that XXX cards are becoming nothing more than non-XXX cards with a few XXX clips added. It has also been suggested that those who do not want XXX action can just disable those clips. In my opinion neither of these are true, nor should they be. Even though the structure if the two ranges of cards are converging they should still differ in at least the following aspects (over and above the obvious one of the presence of XXX content)

Clothing and initial state of undress

I would expect that, on average, the style of clothing would differ between XXX and non-XXX cards. Cards in which the girls are wearing ordinary, everyday clothing could be expected to be common in the non-XXX range but rather rare in the XXX range, conversely "exotic" clothing such as crotchless panties and fetish wear could be expected to be more common among the XXX cards.

I would expect that XXX cards that started with a fully dressed performer would be less common than for the non-XXX cards.

Rate of progression of hotness level.

I would expect that the XXX cards would tend to pass through the lower "hotness" levels somewhat more quickly than was the case for the non-XXX cards, though not necessarily very much more so - there should be some variation in pace between cards. However the the XXX cards can include crotch grabbing and light masterbation clips as well as those in which a sex toy is shown or lightly used while still dressed so this does not necessarily mean that an XXX card should always imply a fast "race to nakednes".

Proportion of table clips

I would expect that XXX cards have a higher proportion of table clips than the non-XXX cards as these seem slightly better suited to the XXX cards than the non-XXX cards.

I stopped buying XXX cards, like a lot of other people, becuase they were almost always completely table shows. Add a few standing clips so we can see the girls ass to each card and I'll start buying them again.

I've been told there are standing clips in some XXX cards but with no way to confirm that until after you buy the card, I'm not going to waste the money to find out. Maybe you all should tell us what kind of clips are included in cards and how many.

I didn't really mind the old format as far as the explicity goes. It's XXX; it's what you'd expect. I don't mind if you tone it down and make it more elegant and sensual instead of a dildo fest.

I'm not happy with the previews as of now and don't really care if you add nudity in them or not. I stopped downloading and watching them as well. Most weren't helpful anyway as they don't show the girls ass. You guys need to understand that you have members that are here for the ass. Most of your preview pictures don't show it as well as your preview dances. That's not too much to ask to show the ass of each girl and the boobs for the boob guys. We are the majority and you lose sales from me all the time because of it.

I know there are other guys on here that love legs, feet and even armpits. If you would quit being lazy and pick quality previews and preview pictures that were actually helpful, we all would be a lot happier.

That's all I have to say.

Maybe not all I have to say, I just read everyone's responses. You know me, I love to talk and make my opinion heard lol. I know, I need to work on the self-importance issue I have but I dropped out of high school as a kid, never graduated and was in and out of jail. I joined the military, straightened out my life and today I have 4 associate degrees and almost done with my bachelors. I just fell like I have a lot to prove to myself and my family and I go about it the wrong way. At least I'm honest with myself.

That said, I saw a lot of people ***** xxx cards is if they were ***** to buy them. They are two seperate things but now that Totem merged buying them with iStripper cards, I've bought xxx cards on accident more than a few times. Partially my fault since there is a filter in the girl store but they also show up when looking at all of the girl's cards in the card section within the girl's card. I think these need to be seperated in that screen.

Cages and swings... I ***** them both. The cage is unappealing and the swing is pointless. I did, however; recommend a trampoline in the suggestion forums. Girls bouncing on a trampoline with the boobs and butt bouncing... how can you say no to that? I feel you should at least give it a go.

Duo cards. I'm sad to see them go. I'm sure it costs twice as much and you sell them for the same price so I get it. If I were you though, I would pair girls with high ratings and sell for a little more than a duo.

There are a lot of girls on this site that I would pay a double price to see together in an XXX card. Mia Malkova and Nekane/Ria Rodriguez/Carolina Abril/Lexi Belle/Valentina Nappi/Vanessa Mio... you get the idea. Quality girls, not just randomly pairing girls that are available like you've done in the past.

Ok, now I'm really done. Peace out :)

As I stated in another thread, I like to see dancing clips in XXX cards, so I support the new format, but it needs:

• the introducing clip back (done)
• more sound, at least in all table clips (done)
• MORE xxx action (if it's a XXX card, it should have more XXX than a regular card)
• more toys, at least one clip pro card.

About XXX: as once @Wyldanimal stated (and as we all can see in older and classic cards), XXX content has always been in the product; I like it and I absolutely don't want to see it gradually disappear. I, instead, think that every regular card too should have at least an XXX clip.

Thanks for the attention!

@cncbehrends29 says

Maybe you all should tell us what kind of clips are included in cards and how many.

and I agree with him. Pop up summaries on the Girls Store page and on the various carousels giving the number of clips of each type for a card would be a useful addition. The information is all readily available and it just needs a way to ask that it be displayed (it would, I think, be too intrusive to always display it, so there needs to be some way to ask for this information). I suspect that there are quite a few who would use the information to guide their purchases.

It could, perhaps, also be added to the cards on the My Collection page. It would not be as useful there but if its on the cards on the Girls Store page it would seem sensible to have it there as well, if only for consistancy.

Although I personaly don't agree with him about the importance of the arse there are those that do. Perhaps the carousels could eventualy offer the option to see a rear view of each model as an alternative to the frontal view now provided.

cncbehrends29 also said

Cages and swings... I ***** them both. The cage is unappealing and the swing is pointless.

This time, although I see his point, I disagree. I think both were a good idea that did not quite work out as hoped.

Cages are rather too intrusive on the desktop (though great in fullscreen scenes designed to use them). I would like to see them return every now and again. Perhaps a lighter style of cage would work better on the desktop - e.g. one with two thick bars near the center of the front of the cage (so that the girls could lift themselves up on them as they often did with the old cages) but with thinner bars at the sides so that the cage was not so obtrusive.

I quite like seeing the occassional swing clip, but always feel that they are lacking something. When I use them in fullscreen scenes I always add a few degrees of side to side swaying motion which makes the overall motion a bit more lively. Perhaps there could be clips where the girl is standing on the swing - some of these could be rear views.

For some swing clips the swing could be made deeper and wider so that it became a swinging platform. The girls could then lie on it over a cushion that raised their hips, or could just kneel or crouch on it with their arses in the air and pointing towards the camera.

Swing clips featuring a trapeze or a suspended hoop would also be good - but would need girls who knew how to use them properly rather thann just sit and gently swing on them, and such girls are likely to be rare.

I like cncbehrends29's idea of a trampoline, but am not certain that it would be practical - but the alternatives of jumping jacks, jumping on the spot and skipping ought to be possible (there are already a few cards that feature such things, but they are few and far between).

The idea of such clips reminds me of an old "Tomorrow's World" program broadcast by the BBC in the late sixties or very early seventies. In it the rather well endowed female presenter was being shown a new vibration platform used to test satellites. She was standing on it as the vibration frequency was sept up and down. A more memorable example of resonance I have never seen.

One thing customers need to understand, some of the models don't do toys, only finger stuff. So if you see a model that's all fingers, there is a good chance that's all they will do at this point in their career. I don't think the team making a decision to exclude toys. Myself I would like to have the fingering over not having an xxx card at all for that model.

In the last paragraph of my previous post please read "swept" where I had written "sept". I tried to correct the spelling but was too late because KatzPaw posted something before I could submit the edit.

(The latest version of the software seems to handle this a bit better than earlier versions in that it no longer results in there being two almost identical posts - but the error message about me being forbidden to post was a bit "scary".)

If Totem keeps delivering cards like Mikki I could care less what direction this ship is steered in. I would follow her off a cliff. Its been a long time since a demo made my mouth hit the floor. Great freaking work team.

I was very happy when I saw that iStripper XXX is going to be similiar to regular cards. As I said before in another topic: I'm here for dancing and teasing, not for XXX action.

***Comment to lukaszr***
I agree with you here!, Really!. There needs to be kind of Mid-Level XXX Card for Customers like 'you',

***Reminder given Special Request***
As I suggested to 'Totem Entertainment in specific to them: We Need A Third Type of Card that goes in between level iStripper Regular and iStripper XXX (The New Format)(I will even buy those mid-level Cards). But please for satisfaction for "ALL" of your customers, add the New XXX Format as Third Type Card with an another name OR give the Old XXX Rated Format a new name "iBabes Cards". All Customers happy, isn't that what we all want? 😜😀

And I know there are members aswell on the other side on the Forum, telling "Third type of Card??" "no!!, Why??"...but that is just selfish..Really😢. I'm glad, you as Totem Entertainment has to make the end decission. All type of content that offers the solution for all members is automaticly the best choice, right?

Thanks for reading, Terbone 😎

Without going to porn I think it is reasonable to keep a noticeable difference between the clips iStripper and those XXX.
There are a considerable number of clips for those who only desire very soft erotica.

For my part, and it is an old debate, my wish will be towards the return of the duos.

***Deskbaes***
'DeskBabes becomes iStripper, New Interface, New features and Sexier than ever!' ... <Emotional Moment 😢> ... very good and naughty memories.

Awesome! that sexual pictures of the website DeskBabes.com still exist. These girls are, so hot!! 😍 even the website turns me on !! haha

@cncbehrends29 ...You know me, I love to talk and make my opinion heard lol.

Duo cards. I'm sad to see them go. I'm sure it costs twice as much and you sell them for the same price so I get it. If I were you though, I would pair girls with high ratings and sell for a little more than a duo.

There are a lot of girls on this site that I would pay a double price to see together in an XXX card. Mia Malkova and Nekane/Ria Rodriguez/Carolina Abril/Lexi Belle/Valentina Nappi/Vanessa Mio... you get the idea. Quality girls, not just randomly pairing girls that are available like you've done in the past.

Ok, now I'm really done. Peace out :)

YES! Exactly!
Bring back DUO cards that are CAST as a DUO with Girls that Have some Chemistry together.
random Paring of two girls does not make for a good show. It's *****, and uncomfortable..

Find two Girls or even a Trio, that really want to work together, Cast them Just for the Duo or Trio card.
Interview them, find out Who they WANT to do a Show with.. Then get them into the studio...
( sure while they are at the studio you can also make Solo's )

But they need to really be into one another for the Show to be Good.

Then Up the Price, as these are Special Cards.
Charge 4X the normal Price.

Use the New format, a few hot tease clips, with some Longer ( with Sound ) full on to Orgasm clips.
Let the Girls decide what Toys if any they want to use..
Maybe one want to wear a Strap-on
or Maybe it's just all Fingers and Mouths
Letting the Girls come up with the performance will make it more natural .

The Production Team can assist by deciding if it can be Filmed and caught on Camera.
Or If it would be two Obscured to see the action...

Also, that Table / Platform needs a thin Foam Cushion ( maybe two or three layers of Sub Flooring underlayment cushion, and maybe to be a Bit Wider. Sometimes it looked Like they Didn't have enough room to put their hands and feet.

With the added Cushion, the Camera angle might need to be adjusted.
with the camera Height just a hint Higher using a very slight down angle.
A bit of experimentation, test videos would be needed.

***Red Alert! *****!!***
I just have visited some Porn websites and It didn't gave me the same experience at all that I had by 'Deskbabes'. Aswell it is very anoiying the websites disappear instantly when I go back to my game I actually playing. iStripper have as funtion to overrule all software. but a whole page of porn and play a sex movie / picture slideshow..fills my screen completly.

What would you customers suggest me, else? how can I answer my desires among the Porn websites if Totem Entertainment stops with their XXX Content I used to watch? Really, honest question 😎.

With regards to XXX duo cards. I would be happy to see the occasional duo card both for XXX cards, and indeed for non-XXX cards, but would not like for them to become the norm as they once were for DeskBabes.

If duo cards were occasional specials then I would be happy to pay a somewhat higher price than that for solo performances, but not as much as the double or more that @WyldAnimal has suggested. Although the girls fees, hotel room charges and things like make up time would be doubled the rest of the cost in producing the card would, I imagine, remain pretty much the same as for a solo card, as would all other overheads such as office rental, staff salaries etc. all of which have to be taken into account when deciding prices.

I mostly purchase XXX cards, and expect XXX type action, and lots of it. But, rather than go on, I'm quoting several who have posted their comments.

You guys should get lots of good ideas, if your intent is to make the best possible XXX cards for those who want to purchase XXX entertainment based on the medium and techiniques used by this company for its productions.

DeskBabes moved from short clips with XXX material in them to longer clips with XXX in them. This is a good thing. iStripperXXX moved from several longer clips with XXX in them to fewer clips of the same length with XXX in them. This is a bad thing.

I like longer clips (4 to 5 minutes) with most of them containing XXX material. That's why it's called iStripperXXX. These are supposed to be strippers, not porn stars, but if you're going to call it XXX, it should have XXX material. But there should be some dancing and teasing. It isn't iXXX, but iStripperXXX.

Make the xxx dance simulate sex movements, whereas the regular sets simulate strip tease. Heck, you could even pair outfits. So istripper regular series has a full piece business set with lingerie underneath. And then the accompanying xxx card has just the full lingerie. Any direction that adds more dancing and encourages a diversity of moves if best. I think every girl on the site can learn to shake their ass, do the splits to the best of their abilities, and use the poll as a prop well enough to show off.

The old format was good as it was. The only thing I would improve is the sound, because in some cards you can barely hear the model and in others it is so loud you have to tune down the speakers.

The new format needs more explicit clips on the table. The New XXX rated format is for me almost exact like the normal iStripper format, for me it's iStripperXXXlight. There should be longer or more explicit clips.

For Striptease & Dancing I the normal iStripper cards are great. But for me Dancing Clips don't interest me in XXX Rated Cards. I buy the XXX cards for explicit Content.

IstripperXXX should be littered with pantiless/crotchless outfits, sheer lingerie, cupless bras, micro bikinis, tube skirts/tops with nothing underneath, masturbating on the glass, etc. I think the new outfit has more potential for more interesting shows, but the format could be lazily produced to just be Istripper with a dildo.

Of course, as with most things, this will be a business decision. And, if you find that diluting the XXX cards, or eliminating them altogether will make more in sales and profits, keep exisiting customers, and still gain new customers, then that is what you should do.

1. Are you losing or gaining customers and overall sales and profits as you release XXX shows? You gained me as a customer because of the XXX shows. And, if I like a girl, I am likely to buy her other cards, too, because I like to collect. Many of your customers are collectors. But, if you lose two customers who buy more cards even though you gained me who might buy less, then you should just drop XXX altogether.

2. Does the incremental sales and profit increases from the XXX shows exceed the incremental sales and profit increases from the XXX lite shows? Or from the regular full nudity striptease shows? If you are gaining XXX customers and sales without losing Stripper customers and sales, you should be making more money.

3. Does the marginal revenue from XXX shows exceed the marginal costs, and does the total profit (number of sales time the MR - MC) add more to the bottom line than if the same effort and costs were applied to the XXX lite? Or applied to the regular full nudity striptease shows? It would seem, with your overhead already covered by your standard striptease productions, that your marginal costs should decrease, and your marginal profits should increase.

@TheEmu

Re: The price of a new duo card

I agree that your estimate of costs is about right, but the cost to produce a card is only half of the equation in calculating a fair price. The other half is an estimate of the number of cards that would be sold. Those two girls will produce a number of singles as well as one duo, but perhaps fewer cards overall than a single girl would product in the same amount of time.

If a duo would not sell as well as current iStripper regular cards, a price of more than double might be justified. If the production time of a duo is longer than a solo card, this might also justify a higher price to make up for the lost revenue from the extra singles that could not be produced for lack of time.

If I were in Totem's position, I try a few experiments with a relatively high price. It's much easier to lower prices than to raise them. If sales exceed expectations, the price could be lowered to a fair level. If sales fail to meet expectations, the price could also be lowered to see the effect on sales. In either case Totem will learn enough determine whether they can make a profit from new duos.

@kellyoreilly gave a good analysis of the things Totem needs to consider.

@Dorsai6 - I was aware of the factors you mention but did not want to complicate matters as I was primarily saying why I would be reluctant to pay double for a duo card. In reality the situation is even more complex because the sales of a duo card may at least in part be at the expense of reduced sales of other cards - especialy if the duo card was priced relatively cheaply - or it just might trigger extra sales of the other cards that the participants have produced. And on top of all that there is the final complication that the economists' ideal "rational man" does not exist and customers will often react in irrational ways to price changes.

.. the economists' ideal "rational man" does not exist and customers will often react in irrational ways to price changes.

What motivates a person NOT to purchase, in the long term, should not be overlooked.

Recent history implies XXX buyers here can expect no more than around 30% true xxx action per card.
The way it is currently, there is no guarantee what content to expect in those 3 or 4 clips unless reviews by past purchasers point out specifics. Some members have tried to provide notes in card comments but it is not consistant or timely enough information for all releases.

If the price goes up, tagging has to be precise and more comprehensive. In my case discovering a predominance of strapons, oral toy play and anal in long clips would represent ***** money, and a reluctance or hesitation by me to purchase unknown xxx content in future. Especially at a higher price. Forcasting the favorable predilections of many folks here = sold cards, may be easier said than done.

By way of example: An interesting thing just happened with the new Mikki card ~firefly
It is tagged as 'naked feet' (usually an instant buy for me, if I like the model)
Discovering now that the tag is incorrect, has largely ***** my perceived value of this purchase, and even made me reluctant to trust purchasing her cards so quickly in future. Even previews don't help.
So there could indeed be a lot of factors at work beyond just numbers of cards initially sold.

I like the new iStripperXXX format; it's something I think is unique not produced elsewhere. The old Deskbabe shows are more like long boring porn shows, which can be readily found many places and with essentially no striptease content, which I'm more interested in.

I enjoy the standing and pole dancing clips, and especially the explicit clips with the girl finally undressed and dancing inclusively in totally nudity. I would like to see included at least two, preferably three explicit and/or XXX table clips of 1 to 3 minutes duration.

Like it was said, the old Deskbabes are more like long, boring porn shows, not strip shows, which I enjoy.

The new iStripperXXX format is boring :P it's almost the same as a normal card with a spattering of random xxx. The old iStripperXXX was boring with 3 scenes virtually the same, but at least I knew what I was getting: A model playing with herself. Now I see an iStripperXXX card in the store now, and it has no appeal other than if it is a model I absolutely can't get enough of. Watching solo movies of models is not the same as having a model living on your taskbar.