@ComteDracula - for the latest special event card you just had to pay, not play. As I said, expensive but no gambling involved unless you chose to do so.

First " special event card" i'm getting.. all because I bought the Advent calender. In all honesty I wish it was the Ginebra Bellucci bikini card...Oh well....

@ComteDracula - but they do now provide ways other than gambling to obtain the special event cards (and for most of them always did). These alternatives may be expensive, but they exist.

And what are these ways @Emu? because I buy deals that include special event cards, such as the forward calendar.

However, I do not consider that having to participate in slot machines and scratch cards is an alternative, because it is gambling.


Et quels sont ces moyens @Emu ? car j'achète les offres qui inclus les cartes évènements spéciaux, comme le calendrier de l'avant.

Par contre je ne considère pas que de devoir participer aux machine à sous et aux cartes à gratter est une alternative, car c'est du gambling.

@PascalsWager = As I have said many times I am not defending Totem's behaviour, only explaining it.

We all get it. Everyone understands the why. Deep down in our guts, we know exactly what's happening. In fact, that's precisely we're annoyed.

I think those defending Totem on this are either rationalizing their own behavior as acceptable, when deep down they know they have disappointed themselves, or are in Totem's pocket in some way.

Correct.

@ComteDracula - but they do now provide ways other than gambling to obtain the special event cards (and for most of them always did). These alternatives may be expensive, but they exist.

What would be stupid for a company is to turn its back on their best customers by not allowing other alternatives to purchase some of their products, than by gambling.

Ce qui serait stupide pour une compagnie, c'est d'en venir à se mettre à dos leurs meilleurs clients en ne permettant pas d'autres alternatives d'achat de certains de leurs produits, que par les jeux de hasard.

@PascalsWager = As I have said many times I am not defending Totem's behaviour, only explaining it.

I think those defending Totem on this are either rationalizing their own behavior as acceptable, when deep down they know they have disappointed themselves, or are in Totem's pocket in some way. Or maybe they truly believe it is OK to pay severa hundred credits on one card? Maybe these cards truly do have that much value to them? I guess it's possible.

@theEmu There are only so many car(d)s to buy. So the people who buy 5 "cars" per month for any length of time are gambling the rest (away). Not "buying."

Work with me on the math for a second. Call it 25 Credits/ Card. ~4350 Cards. 4350*25=108,750 credits. Anything beyond 11 months of "best customer" behavior can't possibly be "buying" cards. It's money that's spent on nothing but scratches or wheel pulls. So we have two options. The "best" customers are either those heavy spenders on cards who roll over every 11 months, OR: They're problem gamblers past their first year.

Either way, they can't be Porsche buying sheiks who purchase 20 wheels a month for more than a year because there are no more wheels to buy.

I guess I don't really understand your motivation defending the company on this. Are they behaving rationally? Sure. Are the gamblers behaving rationally? No. Are they knowingly profiting from psychological ***** of weak minded people? Yes. Is it flat out wrong? No. Is it shady? Yes.

I have no SEC cards. Never spent a dime on scratches or pulls. I'm not begging for SEC cards. I'm just voicing my dissent on what I (and others) perceive as questionable behavior, and will continue to do so as long as I observe it.

But let's not derrail The Count's thread. If you want to argue some more, by all means dig up the thread from last year and revive it. Maybe others will chime in to school ya...

I agree with you @boan000 ,

Totem must allow its best customers to acquire these cards outside games of chance.

This would be true recognition, for their loyalty, and would encourage people to acquire the entire collection, to finally get those cards.

Obviously those who would like to obtain these cards by the "Gambling", could always prevail of this means.

Following games of chance, and after a while, those who do not have the entire collection, could also acquire these cards with a cost of acquisition, which could go down, depending on the number of cards that people have.

Totem gives 45% off, plus 30% off for reload, plus 20% and 4k for premium...so the "best" customers can get a 25 credit card for less than 10 credits if they do the full 1320 reload bonus....you are looking at nearly 60% off compared to a new customer. And it is obvious many people would fill their collections if each card was still 25 credits. Stop acting entitled to something. You paid money for cards. You have access to the cards...totem doesn't owe you anything. You have thousands of cards to enjoy...enjoy them.

I quoted the science to you last year. Gender is a binary construct, always has been, always will be. Science is not on your side in this, and I doubt it will ever be. Do you want to know who is on your side? Those who see gender dysphoria as dictating reality. IOW, the insane.

@boan000 - read what I actually said in the posts that you seem to be refering to - and read up on the science rather than the simplified versions you see in elementry popular science books and basic school level texts. In particular learn to distinguish between intersex and transsex,

@TheEmu, ummmm.... what?

@theEmu I agree with you. The financial motivation must be significant. If I were them, what would I do, truly? Financially, I'd want to know how large an impact the SEC cards and associated gambling were having on my profits. Would the 10000 credit players shift to 8000, or 1000? I have no idea from the outside.

Then as I counted my money, I'd look at the forums and I'd see the dissatisifcation of people who'd basically built my company, having spent 10 years buying cards through normal means. And went to bed at night, I'd ponder the cognitive dissonance of knowing I was making some of those people very frustrated and angry based on my profit maximizing choices. Those thoughts would bounce around between moments where I pondered the people who were spending $12,000/year, and how their families and children would feel if they knew they were basically problem gamblers when it came to naked ladies at the base of their screen.

I'm not a problem gambler. Even about naked ladies. So if I ran this, would I think, gosh I'm lucky my business has all these idiots throwing money at me? Sadly, I admit the answer is maybe. But I wouldn't be proud of it. I'd probably distract myself by remembering the days where I felt lucky to be in a job where I got to see the same beautiful creatures we drool over, stripping live, in my office.

People are "stupid". They do not always or often think clearly. This happens with any person who spends thousands of dollars for thousands of cards on their desktop. But it is taken to an extreme with people who must have every card even though they haven't watched thousands of them in the last year. They are collectors of a thing they can't even resell, and are obsessive about it. A customer has no right to own everything that a company offers. If I showed up at a car dealership and was pissed off because the lamborghini was out of my price range I would be laughed out of the building. Fortunately, totem is selling normal cards for exhorbinant prices. Normal minded people would ignore this and say that totem is stupid and just lost money because that card cost money to produce...but the reality is people spend thousands of credits for a normal card. That is not totems fault. They aren't actually selling special cards, they are selling normal cards and people can't control themselves. I understand that a pandoras box may have been opened, and entire sets could fall under special categories... at some point totem will go too far like many gaming companies have...

Says the guy who thinks there are more than two genders...

That is misrepresenting what I said in a major way - in those posts I said that gender was a continuum.

And you would do well to well to consider what the Count has just said. The best customers are those who buy everything a company sells.

BTW, it wasn't my analogy.

Says the guy who thinks there are more than two genders...

@boan000

Your analogy is very flawed,

A better one would be to compare someone who bought one Porce every four or five years with someone who bought 5 Porches in one year (and surprisingly such customers do seem to exist).

but, contrary to your opinion, we are NOT Totem's best customers. Their best customers spend over 1000 credits per month, we spend about 300 per month. We are already rewarded by a huge discount - currently I pay abourt 80 cents per card.

@Emu, I’m one of their best customers, because I buy everything Totem gets out, and I can’t buy more than they can sell me.

@Emu, je fais partie de leurs meilleurs clients, car j'achète tout ce que Totem sort, et je ne peux en acheter plus que ce qu'ils sont capable de me vendre.

Pascal, damn you're even more cynical than I am! LOL.

@theEmu I agree with you. The financial motivation must be significant. If I were them, what would I do, truly? Financially, I'd want to know how large an impact the SEC cards and associated gambling were having on my profits. Would the 10000 credit players shift to 8000, or 1000? I have no idea from the outside.

Then as I counted my money, I'd look at the forums and I'd see the dissatisifcation of people who'd basically built my company, having spent 10 years buying cards through normal means. And went to bed at night, I'd ponder the cognitive dissonance of knowing I was making some of those people very frustrated and angry based on my profit maximizing choices. Those thoughts would bounce around between moments where I pondered the people who were spending $12,000/year, and how their families and children would feel if they knew they were basically problem gamblers when it came to naked ladies at the base of their screen.

I'm not a problem gambler. Even about naked ladies. So if I ran this, would I think, gosh I'm lucky my business has all these idiots throwing money at me? Sadly, I admit the answer is maybe. But I wouldn't be proud of it. I'd probably distract myself by remembering the days where I felt lucky to be in a job where I got to see the same beautiful creatures we drool over, stripping live, in my office.

This is a bit like saying that Porsche's best customers are the ones who bought a 911 this month, not the ones who bought a 914 in 1980, a 944 in 1990, a 911 in 2000 and a Cayenne in 2010.

BOOM! You nailed it. This perfectly reflects my thoughts towards those who say that customers with incomplte collections are better customers than those who own all cards because they are spending more at any given time.

@PascalsWager

After reading the other thread, I'm disappointed to hear you caved.

Me too, I'm disapointed in myself; I feel like what a $10 whore must feel like... I ***** that I am helping to perpetuate this messed up system, but you don't know how badly I wanted that Red Fox card, LOL. And the thought of missing another hot redhead was too much to bear. I'm a weak man, weak I say.

I am not at all happy about having no choice but to gamble to get cards I wanted. I lost my reload bonus and spent 66 extra credits on the Black Friday SEC and to get the Red Fox SEC. I know others made out much worse, and that there are even chronic gamblers out there who are being unethically exploited.

This syetem needs to end. As it is, there are still two SECs I lack, and I await Totem making good on their promise to reward loyalty to obtain Joker cards because all these gambling events do for me is to ***** me more and more from the company. I differ from you in that I will not simply temporarily boycott a sytem I do not like, but will part ways from a company and no longer ever give them any patronage at all. I have been a Totem customer since the beginning and love their product, so this thought saddens me greatly. But last holiday season this nearly happened; this year, however, it seems they actually increased the odds of winning. So while I feel ***** and resentful, there is the ***** salve of better winning odds. Still, this Black Friday event has been another wedge between me and the company.

Actually I made a mistake - the best customers spend 10000, not 1000, credits a month. It makes no difference to Totem that the group of "best customers" changes each month. If yoy were Totem which group would you try to encourage?

but, contrary to your opinion, we are NOT Totem's best customers. Their best customers sopend over 1000 credits per month, we spend about 300 per month.

This is a bit like saying that Porsche's best customers are the ones who bought a 911 this month, not the ones who bought a 914 in 1980, a 944 in 1990, a 911 in 2000 and a Cayenne in 2010.

Nope.

@ComteDracula - you say

Totem must allow its best customers to acquire these cards outside games of chance.

but, contrary to your opinion, we are NOT Totem's best customers. Their best customers spend over 1000 credits per month, we spend about 300 per month. We are already rewarded by a huge discount - currently I pay abourt 80 cents per card.

FYI, I just discovered what an Advent Calendar should be. Check out BadoinkVR's 24 days of completely free downloadable content. Not sure if I'm allowed to post outside links, but a search for BadoinkVR calendar should get you there. I subscribe to BDVR, and they also give a free video to subs from one of their sister sites each week. I feel well treated.

That. Is. How. You. Treat. Your. Subs.

In my "Customers With Complete Collections Are Big Losers" thread, I voiced this sentiment. Only because I did not want to miss YET ANOTHER hot redhead card I finally succumbed to the siren's song

After reading the other thread, I'm disappointed to hear you caved. Don't support this system. Paying them will teach nothing. EA has learned the negative response to loot boxes, but it took years. This is a long fight. I hope to hear your voice next year.

@gkar45

63 tickets
Completed 2.2 Rewards Bars and since there are ten reward points on each bar that should have been
22 x 2 for 44.

Wait, what? I got only only one ticket for every 10 scratchoffs, and I think two tickets were deducted for the SEC and the joker. At any rate, I have only 9 tickets after playing 100 scratchoffs (1 bar) SO I acquired 8 by playing. I see that it is now offering double tickets, but I gave Totem enough of my money already in this event...

145 so far; mainly because I'm bored.

And rich? ;)

Good luck on winning!

I agree with you @boan000 ,

Totem must allow its best customers to acquire these cards outside games of chance.

This would be true recognition, for their loyalty, and would encourage people to acquire the entire collection, to finally get those cards.

Obviously those who would like to obtain these cards by the "Gambling", could always prevail of this means.

Following games of chance, and after a while, those who do not have the entire collection, could also acquire these cards with a cost of acquisition, which could go down, depending on the number of cards that people have.


Je suis d'accord avec vous @boan000 ,

Il faut que Totem permette à ses meilleurs clients l'aquisition de ces cartes en dehors des jeux de hasard.

Cela serait de la vrai reconnaissance, pour leur fidélité, et encouragerait les gens à acquérir l'ensemble de la collection, pour obtenir finalement ces cartes.

Évidemment ceux et celles qui voudraient obtenir ces cartes par le "Gambling", pourrait toujours ce prévaloir de ce moyen.

Suite aux jeux de hasard, et après un certain temps, ceux qui ne possède pas toute la collection, pourraient aussi acquérir ces cartes avec un coût d'acquisition, qui pourraient aller en décroissant, selon le nombre de cartes que les gens possèdent.

For me, it is clear that using the slot machine and the lottery tickets are "gambling", and I already said I do not want to encourage these ways to get a special event card.

Exactly! It is gambling indeed. And it would be possible to spend 1000 credits (nearly $100 US) to get just one joker card to buy a SEC that we have missed. I don't see how that is rewarding loyalty. In my "Customers With Complete Collections Are Big Losers" thread, I voiced this sentiment. Only because I did not want to miss YET ANOTHER hot redhead card I finally succumbed to the siren's song against my better judgment and set an upper limit of 250 credits in the hole on updating a joker card. I actually managed to get it with a net loss of 166 credits. So I lost my reload bonus (to be expected) and spent another 66 credits on two SECs. Nothing else was won on 100 scratchoffs.

If I had spent those 250 credits before obtaining the joker card, I would have been irate and would definitely have parted ways with Totem. I came very, very, very close ast year, and was majorly disappointed to see yet more of the same this year. The possibility of having to spend 1000 credits on one SEC is *****! I've seen people say that they would pay as much as 350 credits for one. THAT TOO is obscene! So yeah, rather than feeling love from Totem as a faithful customer, I am feeling *****, and resentful...

If you want to reward loyalty, offer a joker card to members with complete collections a few months after every release of a SEC for a REASONABLE price, say 50 credits...

That's why we have decided to work on new means to obtain special event cards NOT based only on luck but as rewards for your LOYALTY.
In this round of events, there is a Clear path based on LOYALTY to obtain the SEC card.
Earn 5 Lottery Tickets.

Purchase Credits with the Bonus.
500 credits = 100 bonus credits,
1100 credits = 320 bonus credits
Use the Bonus Credits to Spin the Slot machine or play Scratch offs
Use your Winning credits to Spin more times or Buy more Scratch offs.
When you reach 500 credits used
You will have Obtained the 5 Lottery tickets and receive the SEC card for your LOYALTY !

For me, it is clear that using the slot machine and the lottery tickets are "gambling", and I already said I do not want to encourage these ways to get a special event card.

My loyalty, I have already proven and I continue to do so having acquired the entire collection.

It is not the participation in games of chance that proves our loyalty.


Pour moi, il est clair que d'utiliser la machine à sous et les billets de lotterie sont du "gambling", et je l'ai déjà dit je ne veux pas encourager ces moyens pour obtenir une carte évènement spécial.

Ma loyauté, je l'ai déjà prouvé et je continue à le faire en ayant acquis toute la collection.

Ce n'est pas la participation à des jeux de hasard qui prouve notre loyauté.

127. ac53739 (4343 shows)

I wouldn't object to that but others may. It isn't just the price, it also a matter of trust between those who have the SECs and Totem. Totem said that these would never be available for sale. Many of us jumped through hoops and made significant outlays to obtain those cards because of that statement.

The Melena Card cost me around 250 credits. I would certainly be upset if Totem offered it for sale for any less..

For some of us, that trust was breached long ago when cards that were promised to us "forever" (the first iterations of Virtuagirl) were made unavailable. Even now that trend continues with disappearing videos and models who get yanked without proper advance notice to customers.

Regarding your feeling like Totem putting these cards up for sale would be a breach of trust, I'm not with you on that. You made the decision to spend as many as 250 credits for a card based on that information, yet at the same time, that card has been in your collection to enjoy all this time. What I don't think is fair is making ANY card unavailable for sale after a reasonable amount of time has passed.

Totem could release SECs in the same manner they do now, where the customer has the option to pay the exorbitant cost of owninng it immediately, or he could buy it later at a less exorbitant price. I would appreciate this option as I travel and am not able to be home to use my software for every promotion. Because of this, I have missed out on several SECs that I want very badly.



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I am a loyal customer who has all the currently available cards (plus a few) who is willing to outlay what I believe is a reasonable amount (to me) where necessary for the SEC cards.

So am I, minus a few SECs, and I certainly would not begrudge anybody a card they wanted very badly simply because I DECIDED to pay an arm an a leg for it at some earlier date...

That's why we have decided to work on new means to obtain special event cards NOT based only on luck but as rewards for your LOYALTY.

In this round of events, there is a Clear path based on LOYALTY to obtain the SEC card.
Earn 5 Lottery Tickets.

Purchase Credits with the Bonus.
500 credits = 100 bonus credits,
1100 credits = 320 bonus credits
Use the Bonus Credits to Spin the Slot machine or play Scratch offs
Use your Winning credits to Spin more times or Buy more Scratch offs.
When you reach 500 credits used
You will have Obtained the 5 Lottery tickets and receive the SEC card for your LOYALTY !

A charming little bunny called Ellie Leen 💖

Little Candy!
Loved her as soon as I saw her first pre-view!

24 september 2019

Quote from @kaiju (Team)

Hi All,

We understand that some of you are frustrated because of the "special events" cards and we hear you.

The truth is that Totem always had in mind to create "rare" cards (It probably has something to do with the fact that the founders are Magic players;)). Among the 7 special event cards we have released so far, 4 come from pre-orders or advent calendars and 3 were added on the occasion of a scratch ticket promotion.

We had already heard your claims with the first Special Event cards we had released. This is why we have decided to create the Joker card, to give you more chances to get the special event cards. And it worked ! 50 of you have earned this joker card and were able to get Melena's special card if they hadn't won it when scratching.

But it's obviously still frustrating when you have no luck. That's why we have decided to work on new means to obtain special event cards NOT based only on luck but as rewards for your LOYALTY.

We'll keep posted on this by the end of the year.

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This is why someone who has a complete collection and who is against gambling, has no chance of winning a special event card, which can only be acquired by this means alone.

@kaiju ,

I am still waiting for this new way promised by the end of the year.

ComteDracula, a loyal customer, waiting for his reward.


24 septembre 2019

Citation de @kaiju (Équipe)

Salut à tous,

Nous comprenons que certains d’entre vous sont frustrés à cause des cartes "événements spéciaux" et nous vous entendons.

La vérité est que Totem a toujours eu à l’esprit de créer des cartes "rares" (Il a probablement quelque chose à voir avec le fait que les fondateurs sont des joueurs de magie ;)). Parmi les 7 cartes spéciales que nous avons publiées jusqu’à présent, 4 proviennent de calendriers de pré-commandes ou d’avent et 3 ont été ajoutées à l’occasion d’une promotion de ticket scratch.

Nous avions déjà entendu vos revendications avec les premières cartes d’événements spéciaux que nous avions publiées. C’est pourquoi nous avons décidé de créer la carte Joker, pour vous donner plus de chances d’obtenir les cartes d’événements spéciaux. Et ça a fonctionné ! 50 d’entre vous ont gagné cette carte joker et ont pu obtenir la carte spéciale de Melena s’ils ne l’avaient pas gagné en grattant.

Mais c’est toujours frustrant quand on n’a pas de chance. C’est pourquoi nous avons décidé de travailler sur de nouveaux moyens pour obtenir des cartes d’événements spéciaux NON seulement sur la base de la chance, mais comme récompenses pour votre LOYAUTÉ.

Nous vous tiendrons au courant d’ici la fin de l’*****ée.

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Voici pourquoi quelqu'un qui a une collection complète et qui est contre les jeux de hasard, n'a aucune chance de gagner une carte évènement spécial, qui ne peut que s'acquérir par ce seul moyen.

@kaiju ,

J'attend toujours ce nouveau moyen promis d'ici la fin de l'*****ée.

ComteDracula, un client loyal, qui attend sa récompense.

@JonnBGood

Thanks for the tips.

@Number6 did the exact same thing with those VR shows. As far as the glasses issue I'm the same way just keep the VR lenses clean and you should be good to go. Last thing. If you feel like the head set is uncomfortable in the front use a folded wash Cloth to buffer between the headset and forhead. It is very comfortable if you are going to be in it for an extended period, I hope this helps you.

Just checked the 1st December Window.

I think a lot of users will be happy with the choice for the first model.

I also like the Safe/Hot switch.

Looking forward to the rest of these along with the main Advent Calendar.

@gkar45 Thank you you inspired me to get on the boards I mean that😊

764 man i hope i have a chance Ineed this lol...but id still play the games andget creds even if i won just to contribute

@ward666999

There was an additional TGIF award for Friday. Any lottery tickets obtained by playing on Friday were doubled so that may be where you got your "bonus" tickets.

http://www.istripper.com/forum/thread/43475/1?post=641692

Personally I have 12 lottery tickets which was more or less what I needed to get Jia Lissa's SEC and the Joker plus a few spins on the Slot Machine.

I'm not really a gambler by nature (I don't gamble in real life) so I tend to stop on iStripper when I have what I want.

I guess the reviews paid off Congrats to all!!!!!!😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱

@Z22 - As I don't use the previews I have not noticed the change that you speak of. But it seems to me that despite that change you should be seeing the same number of discounted cards as you did before no matter how often or how infrequently you check - you may have a shorter period in which to get the discount on any particular card but should be seeing other discounted cards instead - or does it not work that way.

I forgot to say as well as the timer change from 1 hour (girl is pushed off list so offer is lost) to 15mins they also are now random rather than every third girl as they used to be, and have a random % off betweeen 10 and 25.

More often than not when i check the tab there is nothing on offer at all. For those who know about the other offer and can wait it's not much of a problem, it's just totem that lose out.