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Cheddarcheese
Desde en Oct 2010

80 posts
Hace 11 días
Hello folks,

I see there is an opportunity to get some of the previousl EX cards this week. I would like to confirm if the 50 credits is to purchase the card or for a scratch and win? 50 is a heavy price to start chasing a card with scratch cards so I thought I would ask first. thanks!
Philours
Desde en Feb 2019

1644 posts
Hace 11 días
50 crédits pour une EX serait un trop beau cadeau. Il s'agit bien du prix d'un ticket a gratter 😊

50 credits for an EX would be too good a gift. That's the price of a scratch card 😊
wrightsayswow
Desde en Jul 2020

1151 posts
Hace 11 días
Yes it's a gamble as has been discussed elsewhere.
You might be the luckiest chap today and get an EX first scratch.
Or much more likely need to scratch 10 cards or many more.
I've not tried myself, and I was told as a kid to stop scratching, you'll make it worse! 😆
13thWarlock
Desde en Dec 2017

2 posts
Hace 11 días
Yeah, its a scratch card... I was under the assumption that you probably always won something, and had a chance to get a special card. I learned today after losing twice in a row that was not the case. It's a shame that the special cards are behind this wall, but it is what it is. I can do without them. From other posts, I see people are getting tons of these scratch games... seems crazy to me, but hey, each person sets their own value on things.
VogonPoetry
Desde en Mar 2021

1 posts
Hace 11 días
I spent around 700 to get me to my 'no more money spend limit'. From this initial investment I won a few extra cards, quite a few losses and 'a lot of free credits' which was reinvested back into more cards to finally won the EX I wanted.

Of all the EX cards this was the cheapest for me.
livana82
Desde en Jan 2009

21 posts
Hace 11 días
I think I was one of the lucky ones.

For information:
Spent 8700 credits to get Kelly Collins ex card in the end.
Won 8450 credits
Added 115 cards to my collection.
Aanora
Desde en Apr 2018

3 posts
Hace 8 días
I think I was one of the lucky ones.For information:Spent 8700 credits to get Kelly Collins ex card in the end.Won 8450 creditsAdded 115 cards to my collection.

8700?!
jinksta187
Desde en Jan 2008

11 posts
Hace 6 días
So I have just dropped over 4000 credits (6000-7000 including credits won and re-invested) on the Ex scratch card game and i didn't win a single Ex card!

340 Euros in real world money!!!

How much do they honestly expect us to pay for 1 Ex Card???

Its crazy :-(
muttonjeff
Desde en Nov 2008

787 posts
Hace 6 días
How much do they honestly expect us to pay for 1 Ex Card???
Its crazy :-(
Statistically, in games of chance (anywhere), every time you play, the odds of winning are exactly the same.
The odds don't increase or decrease... every play is the same. Try playing in a Casino.
I believe the answer to your question is ... as much as a player is prepared to pay to achieve their desired result.
The only thing that's crazy is expecting to win.
ComteDracula
Desde en Aug 2017

1300 posts
Hace 6 días (edited)
The only thing that's crazy is expecting to win.

Donc selon cette logique, il est fou de jouer lorsqu'on n'a pas la certitude, peu importe les sommes investis, d'obtenir un carte EX.

À moins bien sur de se dire que ce n'est pas grâve de perdre et de ne pas obtenir une de ces cartes. Car je vais faire un don ce charité à Totem. Comme cela, je suis presque certain que les cartes "normales" n'augmenteront pas de prix, et que je vais par le fait même contribuer à empêcher la compagnie de faire faillite.

Vive les âmes charitables ! 😊


So by that logic, it's crazy to play when you're not sure, no matter how much you invest, that you'll get an EX card.

Unless, of course, you tell yourself that losing and not getting one of those cards isn't a bad thing. Because I'm going to make a donation of charity at Totem. That way, I'm pretty sure that the "normal" cards won't go up in price, and that I'll be helping to keep the company from going bankrupt.

Long live charitable souls! 😊
jinksta187
Desde en Jan 2008

11 posts
Hace 6 días
I get its a game of chance and you cant expect to win.. BUT i can prove Totem aren't playing fair!

On the 23rd December i spent over a 1000 credits on the Ex game and in total i walked with a handful of 50 credit wins and x1 three card win. So that was a 1000 plus credits for 3 standard cards in total. I didnt win anything higher than 50 credits once.

I played another 1000 credits this morning and i won numerous three card wins and lots of 50, 200 and 500 credit prizes.

Seriously it was like playing in a different casino with totally different odds. The experience was completely different. So no, i dont believe the odds of winning were the same for me at all.

Either there was an error with my first 1000 credit run, or the game is rigged!

I have emailed customer support and am yet to hear back.
Philours
Desde en Feb 2019

1644 posts
Hace 6 días
Seriously it was like playing in a different casino with totally different odds. The experience was completely different.

Ah ça c'est une chose qui m(est également arrivé dans d'autres jeux de grattage. Un moment, il vous fait fondre vos crédits comme neige au soleil. Et une autre fois, il est plus généreux. De la à dire que les cotes sont changées, il y a un pas.
Je dirais simplement qu'il y a des jours sans et d'autres avec. 😉

Ah, that's something that also happened to me in other scratch games. One moment, it melts your credits like snow in the sun. And another time, it's more generous. From there to saying that the odds are changed, there's a step.
I would simply say that there are days without and others with. 😉
Transatlantic
Desde en Mar 2010

3 posts
Hace 6 días
121 cards played (6050 credits)
50 credits returned 17 times (14%)
200 credits returned 15 times (12%)
500 credits returned once (1%)
Three cards returned 39 times (32%)

For a net outlay of 1,700 credits, I added 117 shows to my collection. Had I acquired those shows directly from the store, the outlay would have been 1656.5 credits. So I essentially lost 43.5 credits in a fruitless attempt to acquire the Shelena EX card.
muttonjeff
Desde en Nov 2008

787 posts
Hace 6 días (edited)
So no, i dont believe the odds of winning were the same for me at all.
Don't think you are singled out for failure... it's just not so.
Looking through the postings on this stream, some claim great successes, some break even and others experience losses .. such are the odds in a game of chance.
However I do believe Totem value their customers and would never set up a money grab.
There are many more players that never use the Forum so we can't assess the true win/lose rate.
I believe Totem monitor the results and tweak the odds of winning if the rate worsens.


Tech ...
A computer random number generator uses a fixed algorithym and the results are based on a starting seed number.
The sequencer commonly follows the same loop for calculations/results, every time it is run.... eventually you need to re-seed the randomizer to start a whole new stream of random numbers, changing the odds.
You can also weight the results for differing symbols/prizes. A randomizer commonly produces 32/64 bit numbers (or more) which some software translates to between 0 and 1.
Example: for a big prize you may want to see the number 0.123456789... and for a lesser prize, 0.12345xxxx... increasing the odds 10,000 fold.
So it will depend on when you start, where the randomizer is in the list (when the result is called for), and how you interpret the result value.

Too much info? sorry... Just trying to explain computer generated odds. Don't take this too literally.
Romla
Desde en Jul 2016

160 posts
Hace 6 días
I believe Totem monitor the results and tweak the odds of winning if the rate worsens.

I believe they should not be doing this as that can be viewed as cheating. The chance to win should be the same all the time, although it is surely much lower than is the chance to lose like in any other gambling game. That is why I never participate in these games. As we do not know the odds of winning we can only expect they are very low and only very small percent of people are winning more than they are losing.
jinksta187
Desde en Jan 2008

11 posts
Hace 6 días
Dont get me wrong, i don't think Totem are intentionally screwing me over. They have no reason to do this.

But clearly there is a massive disparity in what each of us experience playing these scratch games. And in my case, a massive disparity in what i experienced one day from the next. And thats what im unhappy about!

It feels like if i played on a Friday, i might have won the Ex card for 1000 Euros. Whereas simply because i played on a Monday for example, the odds where stacked against me.

I have been a loyal customer of this software since 2008. I have spent well over a 1000 euros in total buying cards on this platform. Yes i get a discount on new cards but surely there needs to be a sensible trigger on the scratch games?

340 Euros and to still not win a single Ex card...

Just feels a bit greedy to me is all im going to say.
willyweekly
Desde en Jul 2015

405 posts
Hace 6 días
The only thing that's crazy is expecting to win.


Hotels in Las Vegas have the "Sinatra" room and the "Elvis" room to remember the legends who have stayed in the hotels.

There should be a "willyweekly" room with the sign:

[i]Willyweekly stayed in this room and lost his entire mortgage payment in 15 minutes, and then, went to the ATM, returned to the tables and lost even more.


(not a true story about me, but I think we all understand the idea.)
muttonjeff
Desde en Nov 2008

787 posts
Hace 6 días (edited)
I believe they should not be doing this as that can be viewed as cheating.
I think you misunderstood me , or I didn't explain my viewpoint clearly enough, I would never imply Totem were breaking rules .... so ...
in my opinion, if the house believes it is winning too often, it would not cheating if the house improves the chances for the customers to win. ..... I repeat improve the chances for the customers to win
Romla
Desde en Jul 2016

160 posts
Hace 6 días
I repeat improve the chances for the customers to win

But that would imply that customers who have already played the game had lower chance to win, which still seems like cheating to me.
jinksta187
Desde en Jan 2008

11 posts
Hace 6 días
But that would imply that customers who have already played the game had lower chance to win, which still seems like cheating to me.

Exactly what i think happened to me the first time i played the Ex game on the 23rd December. The odds were crazy bad. One single 3 card win and a handful of 50 credit wins after spending over a 1000 credits.

I hope Totem can look into this for me and explain what happened.

As i say, it was either an error in the game OR they deliberately made it harder for me (maybe other players as well i guess) to win on my first play through.

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