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Could we stop with the Russian Judge reviews?  

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Bitwrangler
Desde en Apr 2021

170 posts
July 28, 2022 (edited)
(For the younger members I should perhaps explain that Russian (Soviet) judges in the Olympics were notorious for giving extremely low scores to non-Russian performers)

I am seeing waaaay more 0 or 1 star reviews lately for STUPID reasons. OH, the girl TOOK OFF HER SHOES!!!! (Gasp!) The entire card is worth 0! For me, attractive female feet are a lot easier to look at than ugly-stripper-platform-shoes, but tastes differ, and I know that some people really like the shoes. But 0???

OH, the 11 clip XXX card doesn't have a lot of standing clips and no full strips! (Gasp!) 0 POINTS! Yeah, I know, I ***** these cards too. I whine about them more than anybody. But YOU KNEW THAT WHEN YOU BOUGHT IT. It's like giving a bad review to a Ferrari because you can't get more than one hay bale into the trunk.

None of the cards here are really less than 3.5. Any card with a fairly attractive girl with some personality is at least a 4.0. Because Totem is already pretty selective and has high production values for the cards. Skills, gracefulness, attractive outfit, outstanding appearance, eye contact and the like add up from there. If you wanted to deduct 0.25 for not-enough-naked-clips-with-shoes go ahead. But as for the 0 and 1 point reviews, just STOP IT. It is stupid and disrespectful and you should feel bad about yourself for doing it. And you are screwing up the ratings.
Plopsaland
Desde en Sep 2008

129 posts
July 29, 2022
I ranked some girls, but in my opinion it is a great moment to stop with the ranking system at all. Not want to get into woke and so on, but just not from this time anymore. Otherwise comment section on cards can still be open and moderated.
Manue
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CUSTOMER SERVICE
Desde en Nov 2014

1084 posts
July 29, 2022
Hi guys, thank you for your feedback. I have forwarded this thread to the Team.
Philours
Desde en Feb 2019

1659 posts
July 29, 2022
Ce système de notation a peut-être des lacunes mais je suis pour son maintien. Je choisirai plus facilement d'acquérir une carte avec une moyenne de 4,7 qu'une avec une moyenne de 3,6 😊 Ce système reste utile, surtout pour de nouveaux utilisateurs qui veulent commencer leur collection avec des shows de qualité appréciés par une majorité d'utilisateurs.
Après libre à vous de ne pas en tenir compte.😉
This rating system may have shortcomings, but I am in favor of maintaining it. I will choose more easily to acquire a card with an average of 4.7 than one with an average of 3.6 😊 This system remains useful, especially for new users who want to start their collection with quality shows appreciated by a majority of users.
Afterwards, it's up to you to ignore it.😉
Sexy3DBoy
Desde en Jun 2011

480 posts
July 29, 2022
Ce système de notation a peut-être des lacunes mais je suis pour son maintien.
Je suis du même avis.

Acceptons les avis des autres même si ils sont négatifs. C'est aussi une donnée essentielle de retour (une sorte de survey en continu) pour la firme car les mécontents ont au préalable acheté la carte.

Et sur du charme, les avis sont profondément subjectifs. Certains se fient aux notes et cela se comprend alors que d'autres comme moi n'en tiennent pas forcément compte.

wrightsayswow
Desde en Jul 2020

1162 posts
July 29, 2022
This rating system may have shortcomings, but I am in favor of maintaining it.
I agree too. Over the years the ratings even out and the best models, in the opinion of the majority at least, do seem to keep their high ratings.
duras
Desde en Nov 2010

114 posts
July 29, 2022
If someone wants to give 0 or 1 stars for a show, it's their right to do so. Doesn't matter the reason. If you want to play God and decide which reviews must not count, that is censorship and it's far worse than giving zero stars.
mkst
Desde en Dec 2009

79 posts
July 29, 2022
I like having rankings/reviews, I wish the VR shows had it, too.
Dfner
Desde en Feb 2018

644 posts
July 29, 2022 (edited)
This rating system may have shortcomings, but I am in favor of maintaining it. I agree too. Over the years the ratings even out and the best models, in the opinion of the majority at least, do seem to keep their high ratings.

I also think the rating system is ok and "functional", but I also agree with Bitwrangler's original post.

I do think the system is often *****. Yes, we are allowed to vote as we please, but I wish everyone applied some common sense before giving the stars, and reflected a moment before doing so: "am I using it correctly?". The rating system shouldn't be used to "make a stand" and artificially try to lower the average of a card to "make a point", if the issue is merely personal preferences or fetishes and not the quality of the card or performer itself.
JonC001
Desde en Mar 2008

1569 posts
July 29, 2022
I have never once rated a card (never will). I think it is useless information. I never even look at the ratings for any cards, except for a time at least a decade ago.
If I like a girl, her e and f cards are added to my collection.

I wish the app had the possibility to suppress the rating system for those that would prefer to not even see it.
(in the settings, add this as a toggle)
willyweekly
Desde en Jul 2015

414 posts
July 29, 2022
The rating system is useful for me to read. It gives me a general idea of the overall views. If enough people rate the models, then the "Russian Judges" become ***** to the overall score/average. The reference to "Russian Judges" is hillarious.

After looking at the rating system, I will read comments. Most comments are useless, but there are some users who write comments that are my "go-to" reference. Some users, I agree with, some I disagree with. Either way, these users tell me the details what I what to know.
Plopsaland
Desde en Sep 2008

129 posts
July 29, 2022
, I will read comments. Most comments are useless, but there are some users who write comments that are my "go-to" reference. Some users, I agree with, some I disagree with. Either way, these users tell me the details what I what to know.
Have to agree on that one. Mostly posting about flirting style, make up and outfit.
Socialhazard
Desde en Nov 2020

1157 posts
July 29, 2022 (edited)
I forget sometimes to add useful bits because some members are so good at that I tend to leave it to them to do a full review and not much left to say then. 😕

Though I just commented on a card so you know the chair prop is present, that might be useful. Though I was second or third to do that. 😄 😀

Also, you might find this interesting.
https://www.istripper.com/forum/thread/48785/1?post=728722
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Bitwrangler
Desde en Apr 2021

170 posts
July 30, 2022 (edited)
If someone wants to give 0 or 1 stars for a show, it's their right to do so. Doesn't matter the reason. If you want to play God and decide which reviews must not count, that is censorship and it's far worse than giving zero stars.

As an American, I can say that we are pretty much PROFESSIONAL jerks. Our country was FOUNDED on being jerks to certain stuck up overbearing overseas people who totally deserved it. So I would never say someone can't be a jerk, or doesn't have a right to be a jerk. But having the right to be a jerk doesn't change the fact that you ARE being a jerk- and a nasty one- when you rate a card 0, especially for a trivial reason. You are saying the card is WORTHLESS. That all the work of the girl, the production crew, the post-production team, and the QA team were WORTHLESS. Don't be that guy. I have seen people do things that were worth 0 or even less that that, but you won't find that at Totem.

And @Socialhazard has just pointed out an excellent reason not to do that sort of thing.
Bitwrangler
Desde en Apr 2021

170 posts
July 30, 2022 (edited)
And the reviews may not balance out all that well. For example:

Angel Sway, Tremendous. Published rating 4.16, which as several people noted is insanely low for one of the cutest girls ever.

Supposedly 171 ratings. 35 LISTED reviews breaking down as follows:

5 stars: 30
4.5 stars: 1
2.5 stars: 3 (one of those is a duplicate so the same guy gave two identical 2.5 reviews)
0 stars: 1 (And this one is clearly an error. It was a VERY positive review where the reviewer simply forgot to mark the stars. I've done that too. You have to delete and rewrite the review to fix it.)

It would be interesting to know what was going on with this one.
Socialhazard
Desde en Nov 2020

1157 posts
July 30, 2022 (edited)
I think I can change the stars at will without changing the comment or non comment but I hear the first one is what counts. I dunno if it is true or not. And duplicates are not counted. Again as I hear. 😕 I also have seen glowing reviews with a bad star or no star rating.
wrightsayswow
Desde en Jul 2020

1162 posts
July 30, 2022
Sometimes the system goes wrong. I have had a couple of times had the problem where I rate a card 5, but the system only shows 2.5. The chap with the duplicate 2.5 is probably having that issue too. I've deleted and commented again later and eventually it works, I hope.
rabbitman123
Desde en Dec 2008

147 posts
July 30, 2022
0 and 1 points from feet lovers because a model doesn't take her shoes off quick enough (The opposite of what the OP writes) or low score because of a tiny tear in the stockings, or someone doesn't like a tattoo or colour scheme etc. So the low score from certain members due to something silly has always been there, nothing new about that.

One of the reasons why I have never let reviews be decisive as to whether or not I would buy a card. Also I have never made reviews, anyways. I really don't care about reviews. I read many aons ago that people in general are more inclined to ***** than they are to praise. It is something with the way the brain functions.

Reviews are a bit like tabloids, they are just there for a quick laugh, nothing else.
W1ldcard
Desde en Dec 2007

13 posts
July 30, 2022
Why bother with a review system that goes from 0 to 5 if you're not going to use 0,1 & 2 ?
I am quite happy with reviewers dissing the shows with low ratings - as I would for the fakes , gruesome tats and being several pounds overweight - except I wouldn't - as I wouldn't have bought the card in the first place.
JonC001
Desde en Mar 2008

1569 posts
July 30, 2022 (edited)
"gruesome tats" is entirely your opinion. One I do not share. I absolutely love 🔥💖❤️ tattoos.
RonaldB
Desde en Apr 2017

154 posts
July 30, 2022
Sometimes the system goes wrong. I have had a couple of times had the problem where I rate a card 5, but the system only shows 2.5. The chap with the duplicate 2.5 is probably having that issue too. I've deleted and commented again later and eventually it works, I hope.

I've had similar experiences. I've made another comment after the first and then apparently the Admin deletes everything.
haruchai
Desde en Feb 2008

167 posts
July 30, 2022 (edited)
It would be interesting to get a show of hands to see who actually buys, or doesn't buy, cards based on ratings.

Like music, film, etc the content provided here is diverse (not enough for some I admit) but I do not make my buying decisions based on what the majority (or a vocal minority) think, I buy based on my tastes.
For example, we already appear to have ressurected the tattoo 'debate' above in this thread.

Comments are a different matter and if you filter out the 'this is not what I wanted' posts there can be some valuable information about card content that can help inform a purchase decision.

My opinion is that the ratings system is outdated and redundant.
lukaszr
Desde en Dec 2007

722 posts
July 30, 2022
I'm too lazy to read all those posts above, but I agree with @Bitwrangler in what he said in his first post.

For some people there seems to be only two options: 5 stars if everything is ok and 0 stars when something is not ok. Some people forgot that there are 1-4 stars inbetween. Sometimes I think it would be better to replace the 5-star rating system with "like or dislike" system, just like youtube has. If you like the show give it a "Like". If, for whatever reason, you don't like it, give it a "Dislike". The number of likes/dislikes could inform other users about overall perception of specific show.

With current 5-star rating system I see it this way: if the card is rated 4 or above it is a good show. If it is rated below 4, it is a bad show.

Anyway, I will buy every show (except SECs) despite the rating, so why I am writing this? I should get the f*** out of here. Peace!
Ullubu
Desde en Dec 2011

748 posts
July 30, 2022
Totem already confirmed that most people only rate 0 or 5.
Bitwrangler
Desde en Apr 2021

170 posts
July 31, 2022
Given how the current system is working (to the extent it is), maybe @lukaszr is right- a simple like / dislike might make more sense. And then the ratio becomes a rating. I myself certainly used the rating system to point me at high-rated girls when I was new to iStripper- and it was very helpful. As you get more experience you need (and use) it less and less and spend more time with the rating details instead. And with the newer store previews that Totem has now implemented you have quite a good notion of what you are getting before you buy anyway.

Personally I do not give negative ratings to anyone. If I don't have a positive rating to give I don't rate the card. Because MY taste doesn't determine whether the card is good or bad but if I really liked it that might be useful information for someone else. Because helping other members is the whole reason to rate anything. Thus when you rate a card you should always say WHY you are rating it as you do. I too find the detailed writeups very helpful and am thankful when someone takes the time to make them.

Socialhazard
Desde en Nov 2020

1157 posts
July 31, 2022
👍 😎
Romla
Desde en Jul 2016

166 posts
August 1, 2022 (edited)
I use the system to rate the cards I saw, so I can see in the future how much I liked some card and for that is like or dislike simply not enough. If some people want to rate cards only 0 or 5 that is their choice and they can do it in 5 star system the same like in like/dislike system. But don't take from people who want to use the whole scale the option to use it just because many people are not using it even if they can.

Moreover with like/dislike system there will be even more 0 ratings than in 0-5 stars, so I think it resolves absolutely nothing in the end.

Or in other words: you want to solve the Russian judges problem with the solution that everyone must use it without any other choice? That doesn't make sense at all.
TheEmu
Desde en Jul 2012

3309 posts
August 1, 2022 (edited)
@Romla

The reasons why some of us have suggested that the pulblic rating system might be better if it was reduced to a simple like/dislike system are

    1) According to Totem almost all votes are either 5 stars orare just 0 or 1 stars so to a good approximation it already works that way anyway.

    2) There are, however, those (I was one when I was submitting ratings) that did try to be subtle in our ratings - but this in the end only adds to the "problem" in that we end up with different groups of people using the system in very different ways making it essentially impossible to assign any real meaning to the final rating.

There isn't really a rating system because there is no standard set of criteria that are applied by those submitting the ratings. Instead there are many, some rather idiosyncratic, rating systems in use with an almost meaningless average over these various incompatable systems being presented as the rating.

It would, in my opinion, be of much more use if there was a private rating by which we could sort our collections according to how we rate them rather than only being able to sort by the public average.
Philours
Desde en Feb 2019

1659 posts
August 1, 2022
It would, in my opinion, be of much more use if there was a private rating by which we could sort our collections according to how we rate them rather than only being able to sort by the public average.

Cela n'est ni plus ni moins qu'un classement personnel qui ne pourra servir qu'à vous même. Je ne vois aucune utilité publique de partage d'appréciation d'un spectacle dans ce système.
Même si le système d'évaluation est biaisé, il donne néanmoins une tendance reflétant le nombre de clients satisfaits ou non.
Bien qu'actuellement, je peux me forger mon opinion sans cela, je reconnais que j'en ai tenu compte lors de mes premiers achats de spectacles et avec satisfaction.

This is neither more nor less than a personal ranking that can only be used by you. I do not see any public utility of sharing appreciation of a show in this system.
Even if the evaluation system is biased, it nevertheless gives a trend reflecting the number of satisfied or unsatisfied customers.
Although currently, I can form my opinion without it, I recognize that I took it into account during my first purchases of shows and with satisfaction.

Le système like ou no like ne serait utilisable que s'il indiquait le pourcentage, ceci pour faciliter la comparaison entre divers shows. Ce qui rendrait le résultat encore bien moins significatif qu'actuellement. Mon avis ; ne changeons rien !

The like or no like system would only be usable if it indicated the percentage , this to facilitate the comparison between various shows. This would make the result even less significant than at present. My opinion ; let's not change anything!
Romla
Desde en Jul 2016

166 posts
August 1, 2022 (edited)
No system ever will be an objective one, that is a simple truth, because even in like/dislike system everyone will be rating cards with 0 for absolutely different reasons.

So my preferences are to have the biggest choice possible and if some people don't want to use it at all that is their choice, because in the system with the lot of choice you can do anything. In the system with almost no choices you can behave only like everyone else - that means like Russian judges in the 0/1 case.

Edit: Also in current system you can easily distinguish people who are giving 0 to some cards, just because they do not like one thing on the card. With like/dislike system it would be much harder to differentiate such people from someone, who just doesn't want to rate all cards as 100% but his only other choice is 0%.

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