EVERY card should feature FULL nudity as advertised. If the model does not get completely nude (no stockings, no boots, no hat) , the posting of full nudity is a lie.

As has been explained several times the names of the various "Levels of eroticism" as used by Totem are NOT simple descriptions of the clips nor are they intended to be, they are labels that are used in place of using simple numeric hotness levels. The definition for the "full nudity" level is something like "genitalia fully visible". As such the performer can be almost fully clothed at all times in a clip that is labled "full nudity". This is not a lie, as TallandSlimMan claims, but I agree that it can ***** those who are not aware of the definitions.

My way of looking at it is to consider a canonical striptease which the names used do describe the corresponding stage reached. The level names are then used to describe a range of states within this canonical performance, clips form other performances are then assigned levels that say, in effect, that they are as erotic as level N in the canonical performance - and this has nothing to do with the amount of clothing being worn.

@TheEmu, @TASM
Merriam - Webster define "Full" when it is used as ' an intensive to emphasize the large size of an amount' .
eg: .. the advertising promotions are full of it. The canonical interpretation may work if the word 'nudity' only applied to genitals, but in general or publicity to use the words 'nudes' or 'nudity', surely applies to the whole body, or am I missing some newly prevalent use of these English words ?

@EverthangForever - I must emphasise that the names of the levels applied to a card's clips are not descriptions of those clips but can be regarded as descriptions of what I called the canonical striptease in my previous post. It has been a constant source of ***** but it is not incorrect. I repeat "full nudity" is used as a name, not a description. Its a bit like many personal names, for example Sophia means wisdom, but just because a girl's name is Sophia does not mean that she is wise.

This does not mean that I think Totem's choice of names was a good one, I am sure that it would have been possible to come up with a set that avoided this particular *****, but no small set of names would be completely unambiguous unless they were just Level 1, Level 2, etc.

I do think that Totem could do a better job of explaining what the various levels mean. I have previously suggested that there ought to be explanatory information next to the "level of eroticism" controls on the settings page and a tool tip type popup might be used on the hotness level icons under the carousels and all other places where they are used so that a user can have a better chance of understanding what Totem mean by a particular level and that this might not be what the user expects.

EVERY card should feature FULL nudity as advertised. If the model does not get completely nude (no stockings, no boots, no hat) , the posting of full nudity is a lie.

@TheEmu, @TASM
Merriam - Webster define "Full" when it is used as ' an intensive to emphasize the large size of an amount' .
eg: .. the advertising promotions are full of it. The canonical interpretation may work if the word 'nudity' only applied to genitals, but in general or publicity to use the words 'nudes' or 'nudity', surely applies to the whole body, or am I missing some newly prevalent use of these English words ?

I agree with EverthangForever & Tallandslimman. I think it is from the company side important to stop this *****. I also was thinking the erotisme level is also the type of performance you could expect. So, full nudity is for me completely nudity as Aislin is on the picture! 😍

@Terbone - I agree that it would be better if the name of the level was more discriptive, but I was trying to explain how things are, not how they might be, and that in labeling a card or clip as "full nudity" even though there were some clothes still being worn was not a lie, as a previous poster had said. If you can think of a better label for the current "full nudity" level then please suggest one. I have tried to come up with a good name for it, but have not succeeded without being too crude, too vague or resorting to a long description. Perhaps it is a translation issue and the name makes more sense in French.

Please note that it would not be practical to introduce a new "totaly naked" level, the presence or absense of such things as shoes, stockings, suspender belts, gloves and hats is far to ***** a distinction to justify having a separate level. Such things could perhaps be handled via the tag system but not via the basic erotic level system.

If Totem could vary the 'Girl's Page' announcement wording (like the above), that may help users who want to make the distinction. As above shows, left = current and two possible alternatives.
@The Emu, I agree with you there is no need to alter the naming conventions for erotic level system or for each clip, just some means of tagging or on the "Girls Page" presenting a new card as having a "totally naked" outcome available for prospective purchasers.

**Comment at TheEmu**
So, you saying a Full Nudity Card at Girls Store can also contain XXX Dildo Clips? because this Erotisme Level only is good for "Advanced Settings Functions"? I always was think A XXX Card is called a XXX Card because the Erotisme Level goes all the way up to that kind of clips and by Full Nudity Cards I was thinking the clips are up to "Full Nudity Clips but limited to those type of clips and not XXX because they are more explicit.

@Terbone - No I am not saying that. Clips and cards are rated according to the highest eroticism level present in it so although an XXX clip would qualify as being "full nudity" it would never be given that lable because it would also qualify as an XXX clip and therefore be given the XXX lable.

**Comment to TheEmu**
Full Nudity Cards - No Nudity, Nudity, Topless & Full Nudity
XXX Cards - No Nudity, Nudity, Topless, Full Nudity & XXX Clips

What is differcult to understand about this? "My point of view about Store Cards from past and now"
1. No Nudity: Cloths On, All Dressed Up <Introduction>
2. Topless:: Breasts showing while wearing "Skirts","Leggings", "Pants" or "Short Pants" underneath etc
3. Nudity: The model only wears a "Stockings", "A thong" or "panties" while wearing "Slippers", "Heels", "High Heels or "Boots" etc.
4. Full Nudity:: Bare Naked, Completly Undressed, Full Nudity... The model wears nothing.
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5. XXX: The Model does Fingering, Licking, Nipple Fondling,... SexToys, Masturbate & Orgasme Clips


Full Nudity Cards goes to Erotisme Level... No. 4 (that meens completely Naked)
XXX Cards goes to Erotisme Level... No. 5 (that meens completly Naked + Extra XXX Clips)

So in both type of cards.. we buy them to undress themselves to completely Full Nude/Comepletly Naked. I never seen a Card yet...a model kept her 'thong' or 'Bra' wearing the whole show meanwhile the card is saying "Full Nudity" otherwise I would be on the forums ALOT earlier.

I hope my Information came over because this is "How It is"... fact 😎

**Comment to TheEmu**
What WE are saying is... We DO expect Full Nudity as the Card says so... because that is Erotisme Level 4.... we expect the model wearing "Nothing" at that stage.

So, I dont think it is strange peeple are asking: "Huuuhhhh" why does she not undress her "Stockings"? at stage 4?.. that stage is ment to be "Full Nudity" right?... whats next?... Full Nudity is the same as the model keep wearing "Thong" and "Bra" together in "Full Nudity" Clips? No, I dont think so. Full Nudity = Bare Naked for me... I'm not really sure what you get from Full Nudity but I want the model to wear Nothing in this stage...and Totem Entertainment never failed me here, so far. 😀

@Terbone - I agree, the name is a bad one. But once it has been explained to you what it means as a card lable you should no longer be suprised by the content of any new card. And yes, as defined by Totem, a full nudity clip may have the model wearing a bra - and indeed there are such clips.

There is no need for renaming because the cards only differs from XXX or Full Nudity... only these two Erotism levels are at Girl Store. If my card isn't XXX Rated, then it is Full Nudity for sure. because it can only be one of those two. we are not able to buy "Topless" Cards.. or "No Nudity" Cards... so... what is the point in Renaming those descriptions or erotisme levels. So, yeah the Erotisme Level describes as "Description" how far the model goes, simple" in a Full Nudity Card or XXX Card.

If my card isn't XXX Rated, then it is Full Nudity for sure..

@Terbone,

Full Nudity = Bare Naked for me... I'm not really sure what you get from Full Nudity but I want the model to wear Nothing in this stage

Unfortunately the outcome is actually Totem's local definition of ' Full Nudity ' in many many cards here .

@TheEmu, - Much of the labelling names you are referring to, relate to clips details which only become evident for that card after a purchase. Thats my point. We don't expect to be ambushed. At the point of sale, the Girls Store 'Girls Page' descriptions cannot expect ' full nudity ' to be understood by new customers as pertaining merely to a local labelling system convention imho. I was referring to the pre-purchase information available to clients in the same way you did in a previous post, about requesting more information about card clips., to avoid customer disappointment.
I think "Total Nudity" needs a tag of its own.

What meens Total Nudity More compared to Full Nudity ? 😕 ... seems really pointless to me

@Terbone. An example of what I described is Eileen / Form Of Art, clip 11. This begins with Eileen wearing an ultra short dress, a pair of panties, a bra (though all you ever see of the bra is a hint of a bra strap), a pair of stockings and a pair of shoes. She removes the panties but leaves everything else on. Because there is an open legged crotch shot as shown in the attached screen capture (I was a little late, the legs were slightly more spread a second earlier) the clip is rated "full nudity" even though the breasts are never uncovered.

We might think th term is misleading, but the fact remains is that by Totem's definition this is a "full nudity" clip.

@EverthangForever - a card's erotic level is displayed before purchase when it is on one of the carousels on the Featured tab and I presume also on the Previews tab, but, for most customers, that will not cover every card so your suggestion is a good one.

Ah yeah, well she has quite some Full Nudity Clips..I think somehow they are connected to eachother so.. in these 4 á 5 Full Nudity Clips she undresses herself to "Full Nudity/Bare Naked"

But yeh, I have to admit with this Card.. she have alot of "Clothing" clips. With this card I can see and agree with your point of view. She is wearing clothings for long duration and with nearly all of her clips even the Nudity/Full Nudity Clips... Yep 😉

@Terbone, in response to @EverthangForever you said

What meens Total Nudity More compared to Full Nudity ? 😕 ... seems really pointless to me

Although I do not care whether a girl takes off her shoes or stockings or leaves them on there have been many posts in the past in which people ***** that they bought a "full nudity" card and were disappointed because the the girl never removed one or both of these items of clothing - so some people do care. I am pretty certain that I have also seen someone ***** about a neckless not being taken off.

Also you have claimed that there only "full nudity" cards and XXX cards. This is not correct, there are already some cards that only go to the "nudity" level - e.g Vanessa Mio / Pleasant Surprise (there are about 180 such cards). Furthermore, Totem have recently asked if we would buy new cards if the model was stunning. It was a poll and the result was Yes 39%, Maybe 34%, No 27% so it is possible that there will be some more in the future.

@TheEmu, I don't think there would be a problem getting a list of cards applicable for a "Total Nudity" tag. It means 'Not a stitch of clothing on'. Members could compile the list or get the info via @gatonegro&#039;s database.
Would there be any backwards compatible issues (with older cards) caused by Totem creating a new tag called say.. 'Total Nudity' ? or would it need to be something new ?

@EverthangForever - on thinking it over I am not so sure that adding a "Total nudity" tag would be quite such a good idea after all.

1) Its bound to be a cause of ***** because many, perhaps most, users would not understand that there was a difference between "Total nudity" and "Full nudity". At least one would have to change its name.

2) More importantly what exactly would count as "total nudity". Some would be happy with shoes being worn, others would not. Some would be happy with other oddments of clothing such as hats being worn, others would not. As I said in my previous post I am almost sure that I have seen someone ***** about a neckless not being removed and I can image others ***** about chokers, bangles, bracelets and hair ribbons.

At the very least you would need to have things like TotalyNude.ExceptForShoes, TotalyNude.ExceptForHat and to do that well would need a more complex tag system. I have previously suggested that a heirarchical tag system be considered, but it would not be a ***** piece of work to implement it and make it useful.

Ok, I'll accept that it can't be done. It looks way too complicated to delineate. nevermind.

Okay, as I understand the 'Total Nudity' tag has nothing to do with how much clothing the model is wearing. It is an explicitness tag. It took the place of the 'explicit' tag that they used to use for the clips that fit between nudity and XXX. In other words if she shows her pussy or rubs it with her fingers regardless of the amount of clothing the clip would be labeled as 'Full Nudity'. Just think of those clips as being explicit without being XXX. I don't know who came up with the label but it is *****.

@EverthangForever - actualy there is a way to unambiguously indicate just what level of nudity is reached by a card - use a picture.

@Emu, sure, I have been using the picture promulgated with each new card titled:

' Buy Model Name's
full nudity show '

as a buying guide thus far, and it has been fairly accurate for the purpose.
Of course this nude promotions pic disappears after purchase and
you cannot then compare with what you bought, however thats ok. lol.

Is Not Body Paint considered as a cover up?
So in that same regard, wouldn't having a tattoo be the same as wearing a tattoo?
So can it be Full Nudity if the Model has a tattoo?
She's Not totally natural, she's got ink.

at what point do you draw the line?
is it necessary?
Ultimately, the price of a single card is not worth the investment to implement such a change to the system.

As the End User, you have control over your collection.
Enable / Disable the clips you want / don't want to see..
Create you own play lists, they can be card level or clip level...

use the tools to make iStripper your own. It's all in your control.

if you read the FAQ / Information with regards to the erotic level or the Hotness levels.

Levels of Eroticism : no nudity / topless / nudity / full nudity / XXX : Levels of eroticism do not reflect the average level of each clip, but the highest level reached in a clip. They are meant to be used to filter content on your desktop, for exemple to prevent anything more that topless to appear.” Choose the maximum level of nudity you want the girls to appear on your screen. This setting has to be set separately for Desktop and for the Fullscreen. You can tick progressive hotness if you want each full show of your collection to play its clips from the less nude to the highest level of eroticism.

It is implied that they are very vague in their definition.
They are not etched in stone, they are a guide, used loosely to define What is the MAXIMUM amount of erotic performance you might see at that level.

I believe that people who buy istripper mainly shoud not vote on this issue about the changes made to istripperXXX. Changing the format to suit them is unlikely to get them to buy istripperXXX and unfortunately is likely to stop those who do, to stop.

The new istripperXXX are now looking like previous XXX cards on VG. Nice but not the same thing. Can't really compare with previous DBs

I am one who had been dsiposed to buying mainly XXX and mainly those from istripperXXX. My recent acquisitions have been dissappointing. now that I know the problem, iam now looking at previous acts that I missed as the new ones seem rather lame.
I must confess that I like the fact that the stripper's pole has now been introduced but this does not make up for whats is being lost. Stick with past and do not lose the essence of the XXX with a desire to make non-buyers happy.

As @ttelloc said:

...as I understand, the 'Total Nudity' tag has nothing to do with how much clothing the model is wearing. It is an explicitness tag. It took the place of the 'explicit' tag that they used to use for the clips that fit between nudity and XXX.

It would appear, the Card Erotic levels and Nudity levels have become ***** by grouping changes within the system.

@Wyld, as i said above, the work of declaring extent of canonical Nudity levels has already
been incorporated in the 'nude' publicity pic given by Totem before purchase, so it already
is a non issue & this is at no extra cost.

@loosecannon, agree peeps who do not pay for xxx cards regularly seem to have invaded this voting.

**Comment to Loosecannon**
I'm a Deskbabes-User and I'm fighting myself insane to get the Old Format XXX Cards back. This another "Regular Card" idea of XXX is just unreasonable, end of story... Peeple who does like the Original iStripper Cards just should stick with those cards instead wanting our Type of card aswell. I think it is selfish at highest level, sorry 😫

Totem Entertainment
So, Totem Entertainment please give us back our Old XXX Format Card!, the Deskbabes-Community wants it back!😪 And it will solve alot of issues and conflicts. Let the Regular Card Community decide over the Original iStripper Cards but give us back our type of card, so we can enjoy new upcomming models aswell.

@ttelloc

Re : Okay, as I understand the 'Total Nudity' tag has nothing to do with how much clothing the model is wearing. It is an explicitness tag.

You've got it. This is probably an issue of poor translation from French to English.