Istripper joue sur la difficulté d'obtention de cesdites cartes pour en faire
des "Special event cards" alors que intrinsèquement parlant elles n'ont
pas plus de valeur scénique que les autres achetables. On est bien d'accord.

@Sexy3DBoy - Justement elle n'ont pas plus de valeur scénique, ce n'est que le fait de la rendre inaccessible qui la rend faussement spéciale.

Pour ma part j'ai eu de la chance et je l'ai gagné avant de gaspiller trop de crédits, mais beaucoup n'ont pas eu cette chance et même beaucoup ont gaspillé une fortune sans la gagner ou avoir le choix de la carte. C'est pour cette raison que j'appuis le boycott de @ComteDracula et les autres collectionneurs qui devraient avoir le droit à ce genre de cartes directement, même si je ne suis pas moi-même collectionneur dans le sens propre du terme.

Surely the differnce between sellign a card for a fixed price, (at a profit) and then the greed invloved with hiding that card behind a tiny chance of success is apparent too you?

Of course it it clear to me - but I do not find it surprising, why do you?

Salut à tous les francophones, je vais donner mon humble avis de client à ce sujet.
Comme toute entreprise, Totem doit engranger des bénéfices, à la fois pour survivre et pour nous offrir un produit de qualité. Grâce à ses bénéfices, je suis intimement persuadé que nous avons accès à un produit de qualité. Totem contractualise avec des modèles superbes pour, en moyenne, 6 shows, une cinquantaine de photos, quelques vidéos et depuis quelques temps une scène en VR. Pour tout cela, il est normal que cette entreprise veuille maintenir un bon niveau de bénéfice et la mise en place des jeux et des cartes spéciales participent de ce souhait. Je respecte la ligne commerciale décidée par les dirigeants et je trouve que pour 7 cartes classées en Evènement Spécial sur un total de plus de 4280 cartes, les protestations sont un peu excessives.
Pour ma part, et cela n'engage que moi, je n'aurais jamais fait un tel refus de la politique commerciale de Totem pour les dernières évolutions du produit.
Je tiens à préciser que je respecte les protestations, et qu'en qualité de modérateur je trouve qu'elles restent respectueuses des règles du forum. Merci pour cette tenue verbale.

It’s not about greed. Never has been and never will be. The members with fewer cards benefit from all this stuff while still paying more than any of you would.

The turd slinging and the false accusations being thrown around over and over by the same “Few Members” are getting tiresome.

Yes, there are far more HAPPY customers than the FEW who continually ***** about the same thing day after day.


OK......I have my turd blocker up so you can start throwing them at me without me giving two turds about them flying at me.

@Carbo,

Il faut savoir, à un certain moment, sortir de ce débat passionnel.

Ils n'ont aucunes obligations sur le principe d'obtention des nouvelles
cartes. La seule obligation de Istripper envers ses membres, c'est de
leur fournir une application pour visionner les cartes déjà achetées.
En ce qui concerne le futur, ils sont juste maitre de leur business.

Quand par exemple on rentre dans un vrai stripclub Americain ou autre,
on va pas y imposer nos règles quant à la possibilité de toucher les
danseuses sous pretexte qu'on a payé l'entrée ou que l'on pourrait payer
un extra ! Bon ok c'etait juste une image :)

Maintenant, Istripper écoute les revendications des membres comme
@ComteDracula et bien d'autres qui ont contribué au succès du concept.

Et puis dans le principe, le strip c'est fait pour te tirer un max de blé, 1000$
la soirée voire jusqu'à plus de 10000$ de ce que j'ai pu voir. Les filles sont là
pour plumer les clients et Istripper avec quelques cartes spéciales applique
une méthode de jeu pour ce faire un peu d'argent au passage...

There is no emotional excess here.

The problem with special event cards began, and I repeat again, when Totem decided to get out cards that could only be obtained with gambling, games and hazard.

This leads to excessive spending on some people to get them, and prevents collectors like me, who are against these games, from getting these cards at an X price, even if it has to be higher.

I do not see how we can be proud to offer these cards to about 50 winners, who, as @Sexy3DBoy say, are ultimately and unlucky losers, having had to spend an excessive amount of money to get them. And it's even worse for people who, despite the large amount of money they spent, didn't get these cards. These people would never have spent that amount if they had known the true cost of this adventure in the first place.

I also said iStripper should not become a casino, and unfortunately this kind of contest softens problems among people with gambling addictions. I have also named other problems. Not all of them pay the same price for the cards, because of the exchange rate of the different countries, which is already more expensive for them to base the cards.

So in that sense, a site that gave me a lot of pleasure, became a source of frustration because of this way of doing things.

It's not just a matter of buying or not buying a card, it's how to go and get money excessively, without the certainty of getting that card, with all the wrongs that it leads to some people with addiction problems games that I denounce.

As long as it is up to me this way of doing things would cease, because I am against it.

On the other hand, if Totem wants to make a casino, let them do it with those who want to play the risk that they pay this excessive cost, hoping to pay less.

On the other hand, another alternative must be offered to sell this card at a higher cost than the end of this 'casino', to those who wish to do so. At least they would know the actual cost to pay and will be sure to get it. If some people who have gambled, spent or gone at or above the cost of the purchase of this card, it should be offered at no additional cost to those who have played the "casino".

There was no problem here before the release of this new way of doing things.

Before leaving this thread, I noticed that there were several people who ***** about special event cards, and I did not see any intervention of the team members (I'm not talking here about the moderators), to come and explain things or to try to amonish their dissatisfaction.

The real answer will come from these team members, and I also hope the solution can satisfy our requests.

Just because many people remain silent does not mean that they are necessarily happy with this situation.

So I am waiting for this conflict to be resolved, and my determination will not waver, no matter what different opinions the members have expressed on this forum.


Il n'y a pas d'excessivité émotive ici.

Le problème avec les cartes évènements spéciaux a commencé, et je le répète encore, lorsque Totem a décidé de sortir des cartes ne pouvant s'obtenir qu'avec le gambling, les jeux et le hazard.

Cela ammène des dépenses excessives chez certaines personnes pour les obtenir, et empêche les collectionneurs comme moi, qui sont contre ces jeux, d'obtenir ces cartes à un prix X, et ce même s'il doit être plus élevé.

Je ne vois pas en quoi on peut être fier d'offrir ces cartes à une cinquantaine de gagnants, qui comme le dit @Sexy3DBoy, sont au final et par malchance des perdants, en ayant eu à dépenser une somme excessive pour les obtenir. Et c'est encore pire pour les personnes qui malgré la forte somme dépensé n'ont pas obtenu ces cartes. Ces personnes n'auraient jamais dépenser cette somme si au départ, ils avaient su le coût réel de cette aventure.

Je l'ai dit aussi iStripper ne devrait pas devenir un casino, et malheureusement ce genre de concours ammène des problèmes chez les gens ayant des dépendances aux jeux. J'ai nommé aussi d'autres problèmes. Tous ne paient pas le même prix les cartes, à cause du taux de change des différents pays, ce qui revient déjà plus cher pour eux à la base pour l'achat des cartes.

Alors en ce sens, un site qui me procurait beaucoup de plaisir, est devenu une source de frustratiion à cause de cette façon de faire.

Ce n'est pas juste une question d'acheter ou pas une carte, c'est la façon d'aller chercher de l'argent de façon excessive, sans la certitude d'obtenir cette carte, avec tous les travers que cela ammène chez certaines personnes ayant des problèmes de dépendance aux jeux que je dénonce.

Tant qu'à moi cette façon de faire cesserait, car je suis contre.

Par contre, si Totem veut faire un casino, qu'ils le fasse avec ceux et celles qui veulent jouer au risque qu'ils paient ce coût excessif, en espérant payer moins cher.

Par contr...

Par contre une autre alternative doit être offerte de vendre cette carte à un coût supérieur à la fin de ce "casino", à ceux et celles qui le désirent. Au moins ils connaîtrait le coût réel à payer et seront certains de l'obtenir. Si certaines personnes qui ont joué, ont dépensér ou se sont rendus au coût égal ou supérieur au coût offert par la suite pour l'achat de cette carte, elle devrait être alors offerte sans coût supplémentaire à ceux qui ont joué au "casino".

Il n'y avait pas de problème ici, avant la sortie de cette nouvelle façon de faire.

Avant de partir ce fil de discussion, je constatais qu'il y avait plusieurs personnes qui se plaignaient des cartes évènements spéciaux, et je ne voyait aucune intervention des membres de l'équipe (Je ne parle pas ici des modérateurs), pour venir expliquer les choses ou pour chercher à amondrir leur insatisfaction.

La vrai réponse va venir de ces membres de l'équipe, et j'espère aussi la solution pouvant satisfaire nos demandes.

Ce n'est pas parce que plusieurs personnes restent silencieuces, que ces personnes sont nécessairement heureuse de cette situation.

Donc j'attend la résolution de ce conflit, et ma détermination ne fléchira pas, peut importe les différents avis exprimés par les membres sur ce forum.

You're working on assumptions when you're talking about what you "Think" other members are feeling. The ONLY opinion you KNOW is your own. YOUR opinion, along with the FEW OTHERS who have made themselves heard have been heard and heard and heard again. Over time many people become desensitized to constant whining and crying and don't listen anymore. Don't be the cause of that desensitization to the complaints that some of us are already experiencing.

Time to sit back and let Totem come up with something to present to those of us who have let it be known that we are unhappy.


Edit:
It's also obvious that we know a lot more than you think we do

@91hebasu

So we are on the same page, you also are unhappy? you did say "those of us" and "we are unhappy" those are inclusive pronouns.

Cuase you sure sound dissmissive

And soirry, these gambling games are definately greed, especially that last card only available through gambling. im 60 trys in the hole, (600 Credits) 79 trys with the credit wins i recieved. And didnt get the card, didnt get the joker card.

Now had totem offered a card for a flat 600 credits i seriously would find myself balking at buying, but hiding it behind a game of chance were the possibi;lty of spending a thousand + credits (as the "few" have "whined about")

preying on addictive tendancies and addiction for the "few", and they only need a few too make this an amazing profit margin (say a 10 people played and each spedn 600 credits), thats 6000 credits worth of cold hard cash, when they would have made just 130 credits selling just 10 cards outright.

This kind of gambling system is absolutely greed on totems part

Im not throwing turds, and i thankyou not to insult me for expressing a very real problem i have

I am unble to edit for some reason.

But i have the need to add the figures i quoted are pure speculation, who knows what the real figues for, i chose 10 to illistrate a point.

who knows how much or little some spent, @TheEmu says he got his special event card in 9 spins, i never got one in 79 spins. Others have said they have made ober 100 spins

Let me be very clear here.

Some of the member comments are boarder line Slanderous.
you are making serious Accusations without any Facts to support your false claims.

Any member who posts defamatory comments with out any factual proof will be Banned form the Forums.
Plus you could be held liable for slander if it goes that far.

Civil and Constructive criticism are always welcome.
In fact the Team Wants to Know, what the Members are NOT happy about,
and also what the members ARE happy about.

but you must do it in a civil, respectable manner, with out spewing forth Fact less, defamatory, and slanderous comments.

here is an Example of what NOT to post.

... the 45% cost off this card is infact the price totem expects fro a card sale, and it is a false sense of reward, where in fact new members are lower tiers are paying in gross excess above the price expected.

I left out the rest of that post, and while I'm not pointing fingers at the member that posted it..
I'm using it as an example.

that is a Fact less, Slanderous comment !
There are mercantile Laws that must be followed, and that post is accusing Totem / iStripper of violating the Law.


Post you comments respectfully
and Stop ***** the Team !

@Yuufa - I did not say that I got his special event card in 9 spins, I said that in the end it cost me 90 credits because on many spins I won credits offsetting what I was spending. Actually they were not spins they were scratch card purchases, this was not the slot machine.

There was one earlier special event that I missed and when the card became available again via a scratch card I not only won it relatively quickly I also won enough credits that I ended up with more credits than I started with. So far I have been lucky when playing these games, others have been unlucky just as should be expected from these things.

I do not like such games either here or elsewhere, but I accept that they can be an effective business practice. Totem has said that they intend to provide alternatives so lets wait to see what they are.

P.S. It seems that we can still edit when using a web browser to access the forum.

Okay sorry i did not mean that as an accusation that totem break the law, i dont know about such things,

But my sense of things tells me that if providing a heavy discount of almost 50% was an unsustainable practice then no company would surtvive or make a profit. You dont offer regular discount on somthing that you know would make it a loss

No business offers consistantly discounted rates if that waS not withion an acceptable profit p[oint still, unless the product is in danger of spoilage, and being rendered useless. Do VG cards spoil after time?

I am also sorry for how i felt i was p[aying above the value i placed on the cards before i achieved Tripple diamond. Im sorry it didnt feel rewarding too me, The rewards where the extra credits for certain tiers, but the price discount, just felt too me what the cards where worth

I feel maybe i crossed the line, and i am appolgetic. I did not mean to accuse of any law breaking, I just know, that in the jeweler trade (as my father is a franchisee of a jewwery store chain) that infact discounted lines are still sold above cost

@TheEmu, yes sorry i did missinterp[ret the spending 90 credits ands taking nine spins, i should have. afterall i took lenghs to distinguish the cost too me, from the number of spins i had. Also, in kindsight, "spins" wasnt the correct word, its just convoent when talking about gambling systems, mabye X number of "scratches: is better.

Of course it it clear to me - but I do not find it surprising, why do you?

Probably becuase such things where never a part of Totems business practices until recently, and what was jyust a TGIF weekend event, has now turned into a week long thing, but the tipping point for me was when they made a brend new Special Event card opbtainable by gambling only!... when i sit and look at the p[rogression of practice it does appear to be getting worse and more egregious too me. But you say totem are looking at other methods, lets see where that goes.

@Yuufa - Totem's business practices, as in most other businesses, evolve as time goes on. As I see it these changes that you object to have been almost predicable extensions to their previous practices based on the idea that if a change in one direction improves profit then it is worthwhile exploring going further in that direction. No one should be surprised at this even if they don't like it.

Civil and Constructive criticism are always welcome.

This should include name calling and rude language, but apparently not...as some are allowed to say what they like about others with complete impunity.

@ComteDracula,

Bonjour,

Votre propos est clair et je comprends tout à fait votre point de vue.
Le problème de ces cartes, c'est leur absolue inaccessibilité en dehors du jeu. Effectivement, il serait bien de les proposer à la vente avec un tarif très special :)
mais au moins accessibles !!!!! Ce ne serait pas, selon moi, une bonne affaire
mais quand on aime on ne compte pas ou plus.

Votre propos sur l'addiction au jeu et à ses conséquences est pertinent et ce
moyen d'achat ultérieur pourrait faire jurispridence car le législateur lui n'a pas vraiment pris le cas en considération.

L'idée dans tout cela, c'est d'être ***** de proposition et vous le faites bien, donc laissons du temps au temps, et cela s'arrangera...

Cdlt.

Just a slight nitpick...

Posts that ***** the team are potential libel, not slander.


Libel is written, slander is spoken.


back to the rants.....

Seems to me that EVERYONE needs to step back for at least a few days and let this settle a bit.

No business offers consistantly discounted rates if that waS not withion an acceptable profit p[oint still, unless the product is in danger of spoilage, and being rendered useless. Do VG cards spoil after time?

Very much so.

The equipment Totem uses can become out of date quite quickly. Just compare the latest Crystal Clear cards with the classic cards.

You often see complaints from people when they win 720p cards on the various TGIF offers because the quality is so much lower than the currently available cards.

Doubtless in another 5 years the quality of the current cards will probably also be lower than what will be available then.

Recognize that cards are like software. The marginal cost to produce is near zero, but the cost to create is very high. This makes for strange economics. Once a company recovers the cost to create, it can make a profit on future sales at a much lower price than the price needed to recover the cost to create. The trick is to set an initial price that is high enough to recover the cost to create in a reasonable period. Given that Totem excludes new cards (<45 days) from most games, I would be surprised to learn that they plan to recover the cost to create in the first 45 days.

To those like me who want to be able to buy special event cardsHelloIt is very rare that I ***** or express my displeasure on this forum. In fact, I don't think I've ever done it before. It is not cheerfulness of heart that I do today.It is Totem's policies regarding the possibility of buying at a higher price, for those who own the whole collection, that obliges me to do so.Know that first I wrote a post, to denounce this situation to Céline.I was refused a refusal to have this card purchased for the sake of fairness.The problem is that true fairness would have been to allow everyone to be able to acquire Melena Tara Rya's card.I do not know what it will take, to make totem understand, that they are wrong with their policy, which makes that with their games and contests (which by the way are not fun at all) , they can make spend a large sum, without being certai n to acquire these types of cards.For my part, being a collector and preferring to buy (knowing in advance the price paid), rather than participating in hazard games, I am very frustrated by this way of doing things.As I will probably never own this card. I have unfortunately stopped buying cards since Melena Tara Rya's card.I have been asking for the intervention of the manager to resolve this conflict since Friday. No response from Celine.If nothing changes, I will unfortunately have to stop shopping with Totem. It is not cheerfulness of heart that I will make this decision, but being customer and customer always being right, until proven otherwise, I will use the right that belongs to me as a buyer and consumer to make Totem understand reason.I have 1600.35 credits left. I've bought for $5327.44 (Can) so far. And this with the extra cost for the exchange rate, because Canadian money is not worth much compared to the U.S. dollar or the Euro.It is possible that for Totem a customer like me has been quite paid and that I would just be another lost customer, among so many others and that it does not matter to them, since other new customers will be added in the future? I hope I'm wrong.In the hope that Totem will understand the message, by being loyal to its best customers, and finally allow the purchase of these special event cards. We don't ask for gifts. We just want to be able to own those cards.Thank you for your attention.À ceux qui comme moi veulent pouvoir acheter les cartes évènements spéciauxBonjour,Il est très rare que je me plaint ou manifeste mon mécontentement sur ce forum. D'ailleurs je crois ne jamais l'avoir fait auparavant. Ce n'est pas de gaieté de coeur que je le fait aujourd'hui.Ce sont les politiques de Totem concernant la possibilité d'acheter à un prix plus élevé, pour ceux qui possèdent toute la collection, qui m'y oblige.Sachez que premièrement j'ai rédigé un billet, pour dénoncer cette situation auprès de Céline.Je me suis heurté à un refus que cette carte puisse être acheté par soucis d'équité.Le problème c'est que la vraie équité aurait été de permettre à tout le monde de pouvoir aquérir la carte de Melena Tara Rya.Je ne sais pas ce que cela va prendre, pour faire comprendre à Totem, qu'ils font fausse route avec leur politique, qui fait qu'avec leur jeux et concours (qui en passant ne sont pas amusant du tout) , ils peuvent faire dépenser une forte somme, sans pour autant être certain d'aquérir ce genre de cartes.Pour ma part, étant un collectionneur et préférant acheter (en sachant à l'avance le prix payé), plutôt que de participer à des jeux de hazard, je suis très frustré par cette façon de faire.Comme je ne posséderai probablement jamais cette carte. J'ai malheureusement cessé depuis la carte de Melena Tara Rya d'acheter des cartes.Cela fait depuis vendredi, que je demande l'intervention du manager pour résoudre ce conflit. Aucune réponse de Céline.Si rien ne change, je vais malheureusement devoir cessé mes achats auprès de Totem. Ce n'est pas de gaieté de coeur que je vais prendre cette décision, mais étant client et le client ayant toujours raison, jusqu'à preuve du contraire, je vais utilisé le droit qui me revient en tant qu'acheteur et consommateur pour faire comprendre raison à Totem.Il me reste 1600.35 crédits. J'ai acheté pour $5327.44 (Can) jusqu'à ce jour. Et ce avec le surcoût pour le taux de change, car l'argent canadien ne vaut pas grand chose comparativement au dollar américain ou l'Euro.Il est possible que pour Totem un client comme moi a été assez payant et que je serait juste un autre client perdu, parmis tant d'autres et que ce n'est pas grave pour eux, vu que d'autres nouveaux client vont s'ajouter dans le futur ? J'espère me tromper.Dans l'espoir que Totem va comprendre le message, en étant loyal envers ses meilleurs clients, et permettre enfin l'achat de ces cartes...

@dopman123
Why just quoted a post ? What is your request ?

24 september 2019

Quote from @kaiju (Team)

Hi All,

We understand that some of you are frustrated because of the "special events" cards and we hear you.

The truth is that Totem always had in mind to create "rare" cards (It probably has something to do with the fact that the founders are Magic players;)). Among the 7 special event cards we have released so far, 4 come from pre-orders or advent calendars and 3 were added on the occasion of a scratch ticket promotion.

We had already heard your claims with the first Special Event cards we had released. This is why we have decided to create the Joker card, to give you more chances to get the special event cards. And it worked ! 50 of you have earned this joker card and were able to get Melena's special card if they hadn't won it when scratching.

But it's obviously still frustrating when you have no luck. That's why we have decided to work on new means to obtain special event cards NOT based only on luck but as rewards for your LOYALTY.

We'll keep posted on this by the end of the year.

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This is why someone who has a complete collection and who is against gambling, has no chance of winning a special event card, which can only be acquired by this means alone.

@kaiju ,

I am still waiting for this new way promised by the end of the year.

ComteDracula, a loyal customer, waiting for his reward.


24 septembre 2019

Citation de @kaiju (Équipe)

Salut à tous,

Nous comprenons que certains d’entre vous sont frustrés à cause des cartes "événements spéciaux" et nous vous entendons.

La vérité est que Totem a toujours eu à l’esprit de créer des cartes "rares" (Il a probablement quelque chose à voir avec le fait que les fondateurs sont des joueurs de magie ;)). Parmi les 7 cartes spéciales que nous avons publiées jusqu’à présent, 4 proviennent de calendriers de pré-commandes ou d’avent et 3 ont été ajoutées à l’occasion d’une promotion de ticket scratch.

Nous avions déjà entendu vos revendications avec les premières cartes d’événements spéciaux que nous avions publiées. C’est pourquoi nous avons décidé de créer la carte Joker, pour vous donner plus de chances d’obtenir les cartes d’événements spéciaux. Et ça a fonctionné ! 50 d’entre vous ont gagné cette carte joker et ont pu obtenir la carte spéciale de Melena s’ils ne l’avaient pas gagné en grattant.

Mais c’est toujours frustrant quand on n’a pas de chance. C’est pourquoi nous avons décidé de travailler sur de nouveaux moyens pour obtenir des cartes d’événements spéciaux NON seulement sur la base de la chance, mais comme récompenses pour votre LOYAUTÉ.

Nous vous tiendrons au courant d’ici la fin de l’*****ée.

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Voici pourquoi quelqu'un qui a une collection complète et qui est contre les jeux de hasard, n'a aucune chance de gagner une carte évènement spécial, qui ne peut que s'acquérir par ce seul moyen.

@kaiju ,

J'attend toujours ce nouveau moyen promis d'ici la fin de l'*****ée.

ComteDracula, un client loyal, qui attend sa récompense.

That's why we have decided to work on new means to obtain special event cards NOT based only on luck but as rewards for your LOYALTY.

In this round of events, there is a Clear path based on LOYALTY to obtain the SEC card.
Earn 5 Lottery Tickets.

Purchase Credits with the Bonus.
500 credits = 100 bonus credits,
1100 credits = 320 bonus credits
Use the Bonus Credits to Spin the Slot machine or play Scratch offs
Use your Winning credits to Spin more times or Buy more Scratch offs.
When you reach 500 credits used
You will have Obtained the 5 Lottery tickets and receive the SEC card for your LOYALTY !

I wouldn't object to that but others may. It isn't just the price, it also a matter of trust between those who have the SECs and Totem. Totem said that these would never be available for sale. Many of us jumped through hoops and made significant outlays to obtain those cards because of that statement.

The Melena Card cost me around 250 credits. I would certainly be upset if Totem offered it for sale for any less..

For some of us, that trust was breached long ago when cards that were promised to us "forever" (the first iterations of Virtuagirl) were made unavailable. Even now that trend continues with disappearing videos and models who get yanked without proper advance notice to customers.

Regarding your feeling like Totem putting these cards up for sale would be a breach of trust, I'm not with you on that. You made the decision to spend as many as 250 credits for a card based on that information, yet at the same time, that card has been in your collection to enjoy all this time. What I don't think is fair is making ANY card unavailable for sale after a reasonable amount of time has passed.

Totem could release SECs in the same manner they do now, where the customer has the option to pay the exorbitant cost of owninng it immediately, or he could buy it later at a less exorbitant price. I would appreciate this option as I travel and am not able to be home to use my software for every promotion. Because of this, I have missed out on several SECs that I want very badly.



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I am a loyal customer who has all the currently available cards (plus a few) who is willing to outlay what I believe is a reasonable amount (to me) where necessary for the SEC cards.

So am I, minus a few SECs, and I certainly would not begrudge anybody a card they wanted very badly simply because I DECIDED to pay an arm an a leg for it at some earlier date...

That's why we have decided to work on new means to obtain special event cards NOT based only on luck but as rewards for your LOYALTY.
In this round of events, there is a Clear path based on LOYALTY to obtain the SEC card.
Earn 5 Lottery Tickets.

Purchase Credits with the Bonus.
500 credits = 100 bonus credits,
1100 credits = 320 bonus credits
Use the Bonus Credits to Spin the Slot machine or play Scratch offs
Use your Winning credits to Spin more times or Buy more Scratch offs.
When you reach 500 credits used
You will have Obtained the 5 Lottery tickets and receive the SEC card for your LOYALTY !

For me, it is clear that using the slot machine and the lottery tickets are "gambling", and I already said I do not want to encourage these ways to get a special event card.

My loyalty, I have already proven and I continue to do so having acquired the entire collection.

It is not the participation in games of chance that proves our loyalty.


Pour moi, il est clair que d'utiliser la machine à sous et les billets de lotterie sont du "gambling", et je l'ai déjà dit je ne veux pas encourager ces moyens pour obtenir une carte évènement spécial.

Ma loyauté, je l'ai déjà prouvé et je continue à le faire en ayant acquis toute la collection.

Ce n'est pas la participation à des jeux de hasard qui prouve notre loyauté.

For me, it is clear that using the slot machine and the lottery tickets are "gambling", and I already said I do not want to encourage these ways to get a special event card.

Exactly! It is gambling indeed. And it would be possible to spend 1000 credits (nearly $100 US) to get just one joker card to buy a SEC that we have missed. I don't see how that is rewarding loyalty. In my "Customers With Complete Collections Are Big Losers" thread, I voiced this sentiment. Only because I did not want to miss YET ANOTHER hot redhead card I finally succumbed to the siren's song against my better judgment and set an upper limit of 250 credits in the hole on updating a joker card. I actually managed to get it with a net loss of 166 credits. So I lost my reload bonus (to be expected) and spent another 66 credits on two SECs. Nothing else was won on 100 scratchoffs.

If I had spent those 250 credits before obtaining the joker card, I would have been irate and would definitely have parted ways with Totem. I came very, very, very close ast year, and was majorly disappointed to see yet more of the same this year. The possibility of having to spend 1000 credits on one SEC is *****! I've seen people say that they would pay as much as 350 credits for one. THAT TOO is obscene! So yeah, rather than feeling love from Totem as a faithful customer, I am feeling *****, and resentful...

If you want to reward loyalty, offer a joker card to members with complete collections a few months after every release of a SEC for a REASONABLE price, say 50 credits...

I agree with you @boan000 ,

Totem must allow its best customers to acquire these cards outside games of chance.

This would be true recognition, for their loyalty, and would encourage people to acquire the entire collection, to finally get those cards.

Obviously those who would like to obtain these cards by the "Gambling", could always prevail of this means.

Following games of chance, and after a while, those who do not have the entire collection, could also acquire these cards with a cost of acquisition, which could go down, depending on the number of cards that people have.


Je suis d'accord avec vous @boan000 ,

Il faut que Totem permette à ses meilleurs clients l'aquisition de ces cartes en dehors des jeux de hasard.

Cela serait de la vrai reconnaissance, pour leur fidélité, et encouragerait les gens à acquérir l'ensemble de la collection, pour obtenir finalement ces cartes.

Évidemment ceux et celles qui voudraient obtenir ces cartes par le "Gambling", pourrait toujours ce prévaloir de ce moyen.

Suite aux jeux de hasard, et après un certain temps, ceux qui ne possède pas toute la collection, pourraient aussi acquérir ces cartes avec un coût d'acquisition, qui pourraient aller en décroissant, selon le nombre de cartes que les gens possèdent.

In my "Customers With Complete Collections Are Big Losers" thread, I voiced this sentiment. Only because I did not want to miss YET ANOTHER hot redhead card I finally succumbed to the siren's song

After reading the other thread, I'm disappointed to hear you caved. Don't support this system. Paying them will teach nothing. EA has learned the negative response to loot boxes, but it took years. This is a long fight. I hope to hear your voice next year.